Spoilers What is a dealbreaker for me so far - Technology question

[uniderth]

It seems some people won't be happy unless Star Trek looks like a 1960s type of fan film series like Star Trek Continues....

That's the straw man. All we're saying is that we want it to look like it could reasonably exist in the same fictional time period. It doesn't haveto look like the '60s This is the '17s after all. But if it could look similar to the Star Trek's depiction of the 2250s that's be great.

That explanation took 30 years to materialize and was never the original intention (as Gene Roddenberry was frequently quoted on, Klingons always looked like that). So come back in 2047, and if they still haven't explained it you can be mad.

So have Klingons always looked like these new ones? Am I supposed to watch ST, TNG, DSN, and VOY and pretend that they've always look like these Discovery Klingons?

I agree. Though on the other hand, would Spock really be quick to brag about his mutineering, ex-con halfsister?

Apparently he never heard about the mutiny becasue about ten years later he said this:

CHEKOV: Has there ever been a mutiny on a starship before?
SPOCK: Absolutely no record of such an occurrence, Ensign.

 

[GilmourD]

The fact that so many fans are hung up on the make up, ship design, canon "violations" and fictional technology and FX like blasters vs beams is REALLY sad.

Those who complain that it doesn't feel like a story that is befitting Trek... while I may disagree (vehemently) at least they're focusing on the thing that matters.

OK, Harry Potter. You're 37, you're getting a degree in particle physics at Hogwarts, and magic is imaginary.

 

[GilmourD]

It seems some people won't be happy unless Star Trek looks like a 1960s type of fan film series like Star Trek Continues....

That's not true. While I was bothered by the overall design of NX-01 just being a flipped over 24th century design, the interiors made sense. The only part of the JJPrise that bothered me was the brewery. That just made zero sense as far as how warp engines "fictionally, theoretically" have been established to work.

These ships don't even fit in with the evolution there. It wouldn't be hard to take the old designs and tweak them to look good at 1080p or 4K. The uniforms make zero sense.

If they said this took place in the 25th century I wouldn't be bothered in the least because everything seems to have evolved from there. The problem is that they're saying this took place in a time that everybody is familiar with and it doesn't fit. It's like having a machine gun during the middle ages or dinosaurs being axe-wielding murderers.

 

[Spider]

dinosaurs being axe-wielding murderers.

I'd watch that, for sure.

 

[Wulfsa]

They have build VW Beetles until a couple of years ago, the old ones, why they can´t do the same in Starfleet. Building ships NEARLY the same way over 50 years, but build new ships also. New Technology isnt always the best. Russians use technology out from the 90tys in sujus because they know the technology. They would never ever put a new processor in a sujus. So everything is explainable or imaginable.

And there are 100 of Species in the Federation, and everyone is building their ships nearly similar, yes, but completly like us humans??? No way! They use the same Blueprint, like NX01 and NX02 .... yall know what i mean.

We dont do it on our planet now, why they should do that?

Whats with the different environmental requirements of a species, we dont know, because we dont have seen it...

We know barely nothing from this time period...

 

[Paradise City]

The problem is we don't know Burnham. If we knew her and engaged with her, we'd be better placed to forgive her for doing this stuff. She's just some manic stranger who swings like a pendulum between Vulcan discpline to behaving hysterically (even by the standards of any human) and can call upon what aesthetically (for me anyway) comes across as an imaginary friend at will. She conducted a failed mutiny and knocked out her captain based on his advice. Would she have even got anywhere had she succeeded in her botched mutiny? It's kinda funny how thoroughly incoherent that character is.

Now the character will settle down and stabilise as the series progresses. But her introduction of the character is just a strange mess.

 

[uniderth]

They have build VW Beetles until a couple of years ago, the old ones, why they can´t do the same in Starfleet. Building ships NEARLY the same way over 50 years, but build new ships also. New Technology isnt always the best. Russians use technology out from the 90tys in sujus because they know the technology. They would never ever put a new processor in a sujus. So everything is explainable or imaginable.

And there are 100 of Species in the Federation, and everyone is building their ships nearly similar, yes, but completly like us humans??? No way! They use the same Blueprint, like NX01 and NX02 .... yall know what i mean.

We dont do it on our planet now, why they should do that?

I'd imagine that there would be standard blueprints that all Federation worlds, building Federation ships, would follow. The Constitution class, for example, is not the result of human engineering alone, but joint technological achievements of all Federation worlds combined.

Though, I'd agree that ships belonging to individual member worlds could have very different looks.

Whats with the different environmental requirements of a species, we dont know, because we dont have seen it...

That wouldn't affect external structure much. Just change the composition of the atmosphere, bump the gravity up or down.

We know barely nothing from this time period...

Yes, but we do know some things, and can extrapolate many others.

 

[seigezunt]

I've been consuming Star Trek so long, and in so many forms, if inconsistency bothered me, I'd be bonkers by now.

I get that the TNG era had an internal consistency, but that hasn't been the way before or since. And since TNG wasn't my gateway Trek, I don't think I was ever trained to expect airtight continuity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I agree. Though on the other hand, would Spock really be quick to brag about his mutineering, ex-con halfsister?

How is she his half sister? They have no biological parent in common.

 

[dahj]

They have no biological parent in common.

Unless that's the season finale plot twist.

 

[seigezunt]

She's not his half-sister. That was a gaffe from a media account, I believe.

 

[seigezunt]

That's not true. While I was bothered by the overall design of NX-01 just being a flipped over 24th century design, the interiors made sense. The only part of the JJPrise that bothered me was the brewery. That just made zero sense as far as how warp engines "fictionally, theoretically" have been established to work.

These ships don't even fit in with the evolution there. It wouldn't be hard to take the old designs and tweak them to look good at 1080p or 4K. The uniforms make zero sense.

If they said this took place in the 25th century I wouldn't be bothered in the least because everything seems to have evolved from there. The problem is that they're saying this took place in a time that everybody is familiar with and it doesn't fit. It's like having a machine gun during the middle ages or dinosaurs being axe-wielding murderers.

The Shenzou struck me as an extension from the Enterpise era, at least exteriorwise. And to some extent interior, barring the blinky stuff. What looks like the engine room of the Discovery in the episode 3 preview seemed pretty reminiscent of Enterpise to me. .02

 

[GilmourD]

The Shenzou struck me as an extension from the Enterpise era, at least exteriorwise. And to some extent interior, barring the blinky stuff. What looks like the engine room of the Discovery in the episode 3 preview seemed pretty reminiscent of Enterpise to me. .02

Why is the bridge the size of a football field and equipped with panels that look like the stardrive section bridge on the E-D? Why is the transporter room ridiculously huge with tons of room between each pad? Why do all the panels look more advanced than what's on the JJPrise, which is further in the future than the Shenzou in an alternate universe that had its technology advanced by time travellers?

None of this show fits in the past. It would work perfectly after the TNG era.

 

[Spider]

Unless that's the season finale plot twist.

And another candidate for the airlock.....

 

[Nerys Myk]

Apparently he never heard about the mutiny becasue about ten years later he said this:

CHEKOV: Has there ever been a mutiny on a starship before?
SPOCK: Absolutely no record of such an occurrence, Ensign.

I guess he doesn't count the two he participated in.

SPOCK: Captain Pike, may I remain for a moment? (flash, the others leave) You know why I've come, Captain. It's only six days away at maximum warp and I have it well-planned. (flash, flash) I have never disobeyed your orders before, Captain, but this time I must. (flash, flash) I know. I know it is treachery and it's mutiny. but I must do this. (flash, flash) I have no choice. (flash, flash)

KIRK: Captain's log, stardate 3417.7. Except for myself, all crew personnel have transported to the surface of the planet. Mutinied. Lieutenant Uhura has effectively sabotaged the communications station. I can only contact the surface of the planet. The ship can be maintained in orbit for several months, but even with automatic controls, I cannot pilot her alone. In effect, I am marooned here. I'm beginning to realise just how big this ship really is, how quiet. I don't know how to get my crew back, how to counteract the effect of the spores. I don't know what I can offer against paradise.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So have Klingons always looked like these new ones? Am I supposed to watch ST, TNG, DSN, and VOY and pretend that they've always look like these Discovery Klingons?

No, just add the DSC version to the already extensive racial diversity among the Klingons. Some of them look like the ones of old, some of them look like this. There's no reason they can't coexist.

I mean, it's a completely alien culture, so diversity can manifest itself in many different ways other than just skin color.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I guess he doesn't count the two he participated in.

No record. Not officially, anyway.

 

[Shawnster]

I've decided the visual aesthetics are a non-issue. What if I was blind? I would not be able to see any of this.
So, that's my focus. What if I was blind? What matters most? Characterization, story development. If I read Star Trek Discovery, does it fit in with Star Trek?

If STDisc has technology superior to Kirk's ear in broad strokes, then that is a big issue. Broad strokes like transporting through shields, Realtime communications with Earth from the far reaches of the galaxy, etc....

Eh, like I keep saying. It's a reboot. If I view it like that, I'm fine with everything.

I'd be fine with these Klingons even in a pure TOS episode. I hated the stupid ENT arc explaining the "deformity." I'd rather ignore that. This means I'd also rather ignore DS9s line in Trials and Tribbilations about the Klingons. That was stupid, too. Shoulda just made Dorn look like a 60s era Klingon.

No mutiny on a Starfleet vessel? Heck, each series contradicted itself and all the others at some point. I'm over it.

Heat of battle, destruction of the Shenzouh, death of Georgiou, there easily could have been no record of the mutiny attempt. Well, except for those pesky eyewitnesses.

 

[Noname Given]

Hi,

so, briefly, I disregard new ST movies, as I like original time line way more and I adore 90's ST series and take them as a true ST for me.

As for STD, I wasnt hoping for much, but I had faith.
I can get pass klingon's looks, 2000 km space suit flight, mediocre fan service (Picard-like captain, ...), people not behaving so noble.
But in second episode of STD, battle occured and there was the dealbreaker for me... no phaser beams. Iconic sound and weapon of ST for me, but all I'm seeing are pew pew blasters like I'm watching Star wars instead.
Then I've cooled off, and started looking for some answers and ended up here.
So... I realise Shenzhou is old ship, but there were others even seemingly Miranda class USS Europa, yet ... they were all firing those pesky blasters ... so is that like not a thing in that time yet (tech-wise)?


In my eyes so far, STD is a good sci-fi show but lousy Star Trek.


PS: whats the BB code for spoilers here?

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^^^
Take a look at the remastered VFX side (and don't ask me why, but they went between classic 'beam' and the 'bust' ship phaser effects a couple of times in the original TOS S1. DT: D's phaser burst are similar to the 'remastered TOS - "Errand of Mercy" ship phaser effects here. I guess the rationale is they could do either/or.

 

[fireproof78]

Why is the bridge the size of a football field and equipped with panels that look like the stardrive section bridge on the E-D? Why is the transporter room ridiculously huge with tons of room between each pad? Why do all the panels look more advanced than what's on the JJPrise, which is further in the future than the Shenzou in an alternate universe that had its technology advanced by time travellers?

None of this show fits in the past. It would work perfectly after the TNG era.

The transporter does not fit within the TNG era at all.