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Spoilers What is a dealbreaker for me so far - Technology question

elkar said:
Hi,

so, briefly, I disregard new ST movies, as I like original time line way more and I adore 90's ST series and take them as a true ST for me.

As for STD, I wasnt hoping for much, but I had faith.
I can get pass klingon's looks, 2000 km space suit flight, mediocre fan service (Picard-like captain, ...), people not behaving so noble.
But in second episode of STD, battle occured and there was the dealbreaker for me... no phaser beams. Iconic sound and weapon of ST for me, but all I'm seeing are pew pew blasters like I'm watching Star wars instead.
Then I've cooled off, and started looking for some answers and ended up here.
So... I realise Shenzhou is old ship, but there were others even seemingly Miranda class USS Europa, yet ... they were all firing those pesky blasters ... so is that like not a thing in that time yet (tech-wise)?


In my eyes so far, STD is a good sci-fi show but lousy Star Trek.


PS: whats the BB code for spoilers here?
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I was fully expecting great sci-fi and maybe not good Star Trek. What I saw was slightly sub par sci-fi and bad Star Trek.

This was a better pilot than most of the Trek pilots. The problem is those were still "Star Trekky" and I didn't feel this one was. It's like The Expanse but not as good, at least not yet.
 
Ar-Pharazon said:
In that instance, I think the photon torpedo came out of the torpedo tube and the phaser came from the left pylon.

There was at least one actual instance where the phaser came from the torp tube though.

Let's face it, the solid beams of TOS were probably the only way they could do it with 60's FX. TNG and later series' just didn't change it up too often.
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Balance of Terror showed the phaser shots as bolts. (it was actually the torpedo visual effect)

Kor
 
I'm not particularly fond of what I've seen so far, but nothing I've seen is a deal breaker. Except maybe one, if I have to listen to anymore of those long expository Klingon scenes I'll be throwing shit at my TV.

Hopefully I'll remember I have a mute button on my remote before I destroy my TV.
 
I too prefer beam phasers, but, if I remember right, in Balance of Terror they used phasers in a burst mode that seemed to work very similar to torpedoes, including exploding.

But don't even get me started on Discovery's "phase cannons." :barf::barf::barf::barf:
 
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I fundamentally dislike the use of holograms for communication. It has less to do with the idea of holograms but instead how they've been employed in the show. Mass Effect and Star Wars get away with holograms because they are done from a stationary position or console that allows for that form of communication Ala Shepard and the council/ Illusive Man or Vader the Emperor. Seeing holograms just pop up anywhere and interact was really odd/advanced even from some hyper fictional scifi series'. I would have been fine if the hologram chat required the characters to use a transmission pad in lets say their quarters, and they could only chat from that point to one another then I could see that as a more realistic form of transmission as comms in the ST universe rely on sensor data not just hard comms like we're used to today. However I'd say outside of a holo pad in ones quarters there should be no holochat anywhere else especially not on the bridge of the ship (It's why we have advanced viewscreens people!). Aside that I don't have any major peeves on the more modern visual take of Discovery.
 
OK, devil's advocate for bolt style phaser blasts-
I think it makes sense when they're set to stun. With the beam style you can shoot someone on stun for how long? As long as you like? That doesn't make sense.
Whatever is coming out of the phaser on stun, it seems like giving someone two or three times as much, or more, wouldn't be reasonable.
At least with bolt style blasts you can imagine they're getting a predetermined "dose".
 
It says very clearly they are phase cannons, not phasers. The effect is similar to that on NX-01. Klingon ships also had the burst effect and not straight beams, in ENT.
 
elkar said:
Hi,

so, briefly, I disregard new ST movies, as I like original time line way more and I adore 90's ST series and take them as a true ST for me.

As for STD, I wasnt hoping for much, but I had faith.
I can get pass klingon's looks, 2000 km space suit flight, mediocre fan service (Picard-like captain, ...), people not behaving so noble.
But in second episode of STD, battle occured and there was the dealbreaker for me... no phaser beams. Iconic sound and weapon of ST for me, but all I'm seeing are pew pew blasters like I'm watching Star wars instead.
Then I've cooled off, and started looking for some answers and ended up here.
So... I realise Shenzhou is old ship, but there were others even seemingly Miranda class USS Europa, yet ... they were all firing those pesky blasters ... so is that like not a thing in that time yet (tech-wise)?


In my eyes so far, STD is a good sci-fi show but lousy Star Trek.


PS: whats the BB code for spoilers here?
doesnt work.
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I wonder how people can complain about these things when the very thing they complain about was *in Star Trek*
 
My main issues here are the things that just make this not work within the confines of this happening in 2255. The Constitution Class Enterprise was already 10 years old and Pike would've been captain at this point in time. There's a bunch of big things and little things that really just pulled me out of it. I don't mind a visual update based on the original style but there's a lot of stuff just ignored.
  • So we've got Klingons... Completely different appearance, first of all. Second, Klingons historically think of the body as disposable once the spirit has left.
  • Ship design... Klingon ships are wildly different. ALL of the Starfleet ships look like they're based on Ralph McQuarrie designs mixed with Voyager rather than the traditional Matt Jefferies designs.
  • The Enterprise warp delta emblem wasn't adopted as the symbol of the entire Starfleet until AFTER Kirk's first five-year mission. Before that, every ship and starbase had their own emblem.
  • Spock has an adopted sister??? WTF?
  • Uniforms??? WTF?
 
GilmourD said:
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  • The Enterprise warp delta emblem wasn't adopted as the symbol of the entire Starfleet until AFTER Kirk's first five-year mission. Before that, every ship and starbase had their own emblem.
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This is non-canon. We see other crews wearing them in TOS. And ENT used the Delta for Earths starfleet. Even if it was true, that was changed more than a 100 years before this show.
 
Although I've no qualms with the creative direction they've chosen for the weapons effects, I will say they're a little weak.

I know you shouldn't compare blockbuster movie effects to TV series' but after the meaty Kelvin movie weapons, seeing Klingon torpedoes as generic green blobs of energy seemed... meh. I loved Nero's missiles, Into Darkness' photons having smoke trails and Beyond's torpedoes where you actually saw the missile itself and the glow was from the engine in the rear. I loved the swirling Klingon weapons fired over Kronos, which looked a bit like the drones from Stargate Atlantis.

Discovery has... zappy bolts and blobs which are identical except Starfleet is blue and Klingon is green.
 
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Mirror Mirror said:
This is non-canon. We see other crews wearing them in TOS. And ENT used the Delta for Earths starfleet. Even if it was true, that was changed more than a 100 years before this show.
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Straight from the Great Bird and his entourage:
But according to a memo from Bob Justman, "Star Trek" associate producer, to William Ware Theiss, series costume designer, Gene Roddenberry had confirmed that “all starship personnel wear the starship emblem that we have established for our Enterprise crew members to wear.”

Dated Dec. 18, 1967, the memo is part of the “Gene Roddenberry Star Trek Television Series Collection, 1966-1969,” stored in the Film, Television, and Theater Archival Collections at the University of California at Los Angeles.

“Doubtless this situation has arisen due to the fact that a different starship emblem was used last season on 'Charlie X,'" Justman wrote. “However, the personnel of that other ship in that show were the equivalent of merchant marine or freighter personnel — and therefore not entitled to bear this proud insignia on their individual and collective breasts.

“Please do not do anything to correct this understandable mistake in the present episode ("The Omega Glory”). However, should we have Starfleet personnel in any other episodes, please make certain that they wear the proper emblem.”
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GilmourD said:
So we've got Klingons... Completely different appearance, first of all. Second, Klingons historically think of the body as disposable once the spirit has left.
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Same thing happened in TMP. And no they're not "completely different". They just made the Klingons "more Klingon". These Klingons seem to follow a more ancient philosophy.
Ship design... Klingon ships are wildly different. ALL of the Starfleet ships look like they're based on Ralph McQuarrie designs mixed with Voyager rather than the traditional Matt Jefferies designs.
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They seem to follow the basic goose design introduced in TOS. I think Jefferies only designed one Starfleet ship for TOS. I'd like to think in universe there is more than one design. Shenzhou is obviously descended from the NX-Class.
The Enterprise warp delta emblem wasn't adopted as the symbol of the entire Starfleet until AFTER Kirk's first five-year mission. Before that, every ship and starbase had their own emblem.
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Nope, the other emblems were a production error by the costuming department. Non-Enterprise personnel are seen wearing the delta in "Court Martial". And if we wanna play canon,IIRC it was never called the "warp delta" and all the starbases used the same emblem.
Spock has an adopted sister??? WTF?
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He also has a half brother!!!! And get this, Kirk has a son and Scotty has a nephew!!!! Who knew????? For the record Burnham wasn't adopted by Sarek. She's his ward.
Uniforms??? WTF?
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Yes there are uniforms.
 
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Nerys Myk said:
Same thing happened in TMP. And no they're not "completely different". They just made the Klingons "more Klingon". These Klingons seem to follow a more ancient philosophy. They seem to follow the basic goose design introduced in TOS. I think Jefferies only designed one Starfleet ship for TOS. I'd like to think in universe there is more than one design. Shenzhou is obviously descended from the NX-Class. Nope, the other emblem were a production error by the costuming department. Non-Enterprise personnel are seen wearing the delta in "Court Martial". He also has a half brother!!!! And get this, Kirk has a son and Scotty has a nephew!!!! Who knew????? For the record Burnham wasn't adopted by Sarek. She's his ward. Yes there are uniforms.
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I honestly feel I love these uniforms just because of Futurama. OH MY GOD CHARACTER WISE SARU IS KIFF. My mind just exploded.
 
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