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What if Weyoun used the Baseball card to emotionally blackmail Jake?

But what if Weyoun pointed out that that would make him an "Indian giver" and use it for yet more emotional blackmail, to the point he cons him into detonating a Genesis device on Earth.

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

Are you serious???

Tell a mod if you are, then they can give an opinion that's worth the pixels it takes to display.


A mod can block it if they want, nearly 24 hours later and no action at all - they must've noticed it by now.

Nothing was done about the use of the term here:

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/if-...d-captain-chakotayve-gotten-them-home.138975/

Infact no-one even mentioned it, suggesting you're over sensitive on the matter.



Indeed, the difference between "I like DS9 and I like you" and "you will remove the mines" shows this, when he likes you it's completely insincere and he's just using you. A good chance for JC to use his acting chops and he does it well.

This may surprise you, but mods have a life outside of the BBS. 24 hours is not a long time.

Having said that, at first I was inclined to give a "stern friendly" for this, but scrolling down I see that you clearly enjoy stirring things up. Warning for trolling/racism. Comments to PM
 
A mod can block it if they want, nearly 24 hours later and no action at all - they must've noticed it by now.

Nothing was done about the use of the term here:

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/if-...d-captain-chakotayve-gotten-them-home.138975/

Infact no-one even mentioned it, suggesting you're over sensitive on the matter.
If it was racist they’d be straight on it.
The report has been noticed, and discussed by the staff, and it is unanimously not in your favor, but we aren't the ones who make the final decision.

The delay is simply a matter of waiting for Savage Dragon, the only mod with jurisdiction in this forum, to respond and render judgment, and he may have real life things like spending time with his family or being hard at work or taking a vacation occupying his time at the moment, so don't take his lack of immediate less than 24-hour response to mean that he is ignoring the issue or has ruled in your favor.

Nor does the lack of response to the term on the completely separate Voyager Forum with different mods (who may not even be the same VOY mods as back then) in 2011 where it may not have even been reported or noticed has ZERO bearing on how it will be handled in the DS9 forum by the DS9 mod today, nor does it indicate an inconsistency or hypocrisy of any kind.

On a personal note, but one that doesn't hold any sway on the final decision, it is absolutely 100% a racist statement. What else do you think it means? They're implying that Native Americans have a deceitful habit of giving a gift and then demanding it back, when in fact it was the predominantly white pioneers backed by the federal government who kept "gifting" the Native people smaller and smaller parcels of land farther away from their ancestral homes to live on, and then when gold, silver, oil, buffalo (hunting their main food supply), or whatever were found on those lands, or wagon trains needed a place to settle, the US Army would be sent in to force the Native people off their lands again, in violation of treaty, often accompanied by brutal slaughter or forced marches resulting in countless deaths.

And then to cap it all off, the oppressors flipped the script on their own cruel and deceitful behavior of "rewarding" Native tribes of being forcefully resettled on territories and reservations at gunpoint and then taking even that away when convenient, and made it look like the "Indians" were the ones who had the habit of giving a gift only to demand it back. One last cruel irony.

Now, I can possibly believe you were not aware of the full context when you first said it, but when confronted with the truth of what it means and why people find it offensive, did you apologize? No. Did you learn from your mistake and vow to change or not use it again? No. You doubled down and became even more belligerent and mocking about using it, seeming to enjoy prodding at your fellow posters for pointing out why it offends them (with good reason, on their part).

That's straight up trolling, and calls into question if you really were aware of why the term was offensive and just decided to use it anyway to piss people off, because you enjoy doing that. You've also managed to turn this thread into a half-assed Moderator Actions thread when those are supposed to be dealt with by PM first.

So, to sum up, your post is racist and sucks ass, and don't assume that just because the mod of this forum has real life concerns to deal with that have delayed his response, that that means you have approval for your shitty actions.

ETA: And of course, as I was in the process of typing this up, Savage Dragon appeared and ninja'd me. :lol::techman:
 
I’ve reported the other post then, since if mines racist that one is too. If a report is what makes the difference I’ve done it, I bet nothing gets done about it.
 
The episode should've ended with a close-up of the Willie Mays baseball card winking and then turning into a liquid state in Sisko's office. That would've added a whole new dimension to the episode. ;)

Good idea, I wonder if Weyoun had placed some sort of listening chip on it and that’s why he was keen for Jake to have it.
 
The episode should've ended with a close-up of the Willie Mays baseball card winking and then turning into a liquid state in Sisko's office. That would've added a whole new dimension to the episode. ;)

Yeah, that would have been fun.

On the other hand, if I were an Founder capable of changing into anything, and I wanted to infiltrate Sisko's office, I'd probably choose to be a less conspicuous item, something less likely to draw any attention. Let's say a teaspoon or so.

I mean, imagine the following situation. Sisko in his office, his son Jake visiting. Sisko dreamily looking at that baseball card.
SISKO: What an incredible find, Jake.
JAKE: <laughing>. Oh, I guess I never told you who you really have to thank for it! You'll never guess who gave me this card! Weyoun!
SISKO: <chokes on his raktajino> <coughing> WHAT? Sisko to security! One suspicious item to check!
 
Yeah, that would have been fun.

On the other hand, if I were an Founder capable of changing into anything, and I wanted to infiltrate Sisko's office, I'd probably choose to be a less conspicuous item, something less likely to draw any attention. Let's say a teaspoon or so.

I mean, imagine the following situation. Sisko in his office, his son Jake visiting. Sisko dreamily looking at that baseball card.
SISKO: What an incredible find, Jake.
JAKE: <laughing>. Oh, I guess I never told you who you really have to thank for it! You'll never guess who gave me this card! Weyoun!
SISKO: <chokes on his raktajino> <coughing> WHAT? Sisko to security! One suspicious item to check!

Desk/Floor surface T-1000 style.
 
I’ve reported the other post then, since if mines racist that one is too. If a report is what makes the difference I’ve done it, I bet nothing gets done about it.
First off, there's nothing more pathetic than when someone gets in trouble so they try and take someone else down with them, especially when that person had nothing to do with this situation.

Secondly, like I said, it's from 2011, so I'd say the statute of limitations has long since past.

Thirdly, whataboutism and pulling up some ancient quote from a different forum, with different mods, under different conditions, is a poor defense for your current actions.

Maybe it's time to walk away instead of continuing to dig the hole.
 
Yeah, that would have been fun.

On the other hand, if I were an Founder capable of changing into anything, and I wanted to infiltrate Sisko's office, I'd probably choose to be a less conspicuous item, something less likely to draw any attention. Let's say a teaspoon or so.

I mean, imagine the following situation. Sisko in his office, his son Jake visiting. Sisko dreamily looking at that baseball card.
SISKO: What an incredible find, Jake.
JAKE: <laughing>. Oh, I guess I never told you who you really have to thank for it! You'll never guess who gave me this card! Weyoun!
SISKO: <chokes on his raktajino> <coughing> WHAT? Sisko to security! One suspicious item to check!

I dunno. At least Sisko would be sure to keep the baseball card from Jake around. Picture this:

Sisko sees teaspoon on his desk. "Huh? How did that get here? I haven't eaten anything with a spoon in my office all week." Takes spoon to the replicator, puts it in, pushes the "recycle" button.
 
Jake committing treason because Weyoun gave him a baseball card is just a nonstarter. But I guess he could have used it in more subtle ways. Like trying to get him to adjust the tone of his reporting.
 
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Weyoun used it as blackmail. Of course he would try to blackmail Jake if he had the opportunity.
And Jake was just a naive kid who could be easily fooled by a cunning person like Weyoun.
 
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Possibly a more interesting response to the story would be Jake tells Weyoun, "Gee, I don't know all the fleet deployments. My dad doesn't tell me that stuff and it would be a weird question for me to ask. Give me a couple of days and I'll try to think of a way to find out."

Then Jake goes straight to Sisko and tells him all about Weyoun, and Sisko gives him a story to feed Weyoun allowing the Dominion fleet to be surprised.

Maybe they start feeding Jake true information, allowing some Federation ships to be sacrificed, in order to make Weyoun trust the source... and really set the Dominion up for the biggest ambush since "The Die Is Cast".
 
Maybe they start feeding Jake true information, allowing some Federation ships to be sacrificed, in order to make Weyoun trust the source... and really set the Dominion up for the biggest ambush since "The Die Is Cast".

Sounds like a credible strategy and I'm sure such things have happened in the past.Still, does it fit Starfleet to expend the lives of their personnel in such a cynical gamble?
 
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They probably needn't even use real people. They've probably done it in real life too but in a Space Above and Beyond episode they used corpses of some already executed criminals to fake an APC being shot down with intelligence about Earth's troop movements, so that the Chigs would take the bait and then Earth could start Operation Roundhammer.
 
They probably needn't even use real people. They've probably done it in real life too but in a Space Above and Beyond episode they used corpses of some already executed criminals to fake an APC being shot down with intelligence about Earth's troop movements, so that the Chigs would take the bait and then Earth could start Operation Roundhammer.

I mean, the Klingons basically did the same thing in the episode where they tried to get Worf extradited.
 
Sounds like a credible strategy and I'm sure such things have happened in the past.Still, does it fit Starfleet to expend the lives of their personnel in such a cynical gamble?

I guess it would depend how badly the war is going for the Federation.
 
I guess it would depend how badly the war is going for the Federation.

I agree that would very much be in the vein of DS9. You don't expect a Starfleet Captain to forge fake evidence the Dominion has plans to attack the Romulans, get some unknowing people that help you in your schemes killed ... and get some form of clearance for actually executing the plan for from Starfleet HQ, either.
 
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