Yeah, what's interesting about The Cage is how it almost functions more as a prototype for TNG than it did for TOS.
I think it's just a question of the right mindset in the right place at the right time.
What if TOS was like TMP?
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Yeah, what's interesting about The Cage is how it almost functions more as a prototype for TNG than it did for TOS.
I think it's just a question of the right mindset in the right place at the right time.
You got it backwards, it was Roddenberry (and some members of his production/writing crew) was constantly tweaking the network, getting involved in numerous scandals (up to and including rape, for Gods sake), and so on. Trek became 'that damn show' by the end of its FIRST season, after all... it wasn't about how well the show did, but how much of a pain it was to DEAL with.
Let's say you really like a football team, but there's one player who constantly causes legal trouble for it, gets involved in criminal activity, and goes around backtalking the owners to prop himself up. If the team makes it to the playoffs, you MAY put up with it. If it doesn't... well... Trek was a show that didn't make the playoffs.
I'm actually completely unaware of that- do you have a link to such stuff? If so, I'd be really thankful (this last seentance is snark-free).
There was a site that had all this stuff archived (you used to be able to buy these things from Lincoln Enterprises, though they never had the rights to it, themselves), but I can't find it now. It was mostly early treatments, and only six episodes made it to script form. If someone else has this link kept, maybe they can post it?
I think the idea here is, Our Heroes had been away from their jobs so long that they were out of practice. Kirk had been behind the desk and Spock had been off on Vulcan trying to purge his emotions, and it took them a while (about 2-1/2 hours) to get "back in the saddle". By the end of the movie, Kirk is sure of himself again and Spock's no longer a dick.
I think the OP was wondering how TOS would have fared if the characters behaved like they did in TMP. I agree that they spend the first 2 1/2 being hours out of practice (and about 5 1/2 minutes behaving like we'd been accustomed to in TOS).
One of THE best scenes in TMP is when Spock in in sick bay 'waking' from his VGER mind meld, slowly coming to grips with what he saw/felt..and ALSO coming to grips with the idea of maybe he COULD live with his human half, hence the soft chuckle of the joke of it all...and when Kirk comes over and holds his hands, and smiles - its almost an instant flashback to the Jim Kirk of TOS - Wise gets a perfect angle of it - and perhaps Kirk realizing that THIS is what is all about - not just the ship, but his friendships with Spock and McCoy. Then the subsequent scene on the bridge which got cut from the final film, where Spock cries for Vger, and even tells Kirk and McCoy that logic is not enough. That is not only Spock going 'back to normal', but Spock actually forging a new and better personality for himself.
Again, this is news to me...who raped who?
And what do you mean by "Tweaking the network"?I remember them, didn't Majel own that?
I got some cool Trek & Kung Fu stuff from them in the mid-seventies.
Again, this is news to me...who raped who?
Grace Lee Whitney was sexually assulted on the set by one of the production staff. It was covered up from the network by Roddenberry. When she went to complain to NBC, she was written out of the show.
I remember them, didn't Majel own that?
I got some cool Trek & Kung Fu stuff from them in the mid-seventies.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, it was a huge scam, unfortunately. Roddenberry 'appropriated' a lot of Star Trek works without any authorization and sold them through his wife's business.
I love the look and feel of TMP but I agree that it would have been more like TNG if the attitude in the movie had been adopted. If they could have amalgamated elements of the two it would have been an awesome show. I loved the fact that Grace came back, Decker and Ilia were both worthwhile additions to the crew, and the movie featured loads more aliens in the crew. I've always wanted to see an andorian crewman as a regualr guest. I loved Shran and he was due to join the Enterptise crew if there had been a season 6.
I got some cool Trek & Kung Fu stuff from them in the mid-seventies.
I remember the Kung-Fu stuff at the local comic/etc. shop! What was GR's relationship to Kung-Fu?
"Sexually assaulted"? As in rape, or severe come-on?
Do you have a link for that? I know Roddenberry was a frisky fellow, but that sounds a bit past the Prime Directive...
Not known- it was strange to me at the time- Kung Fu being Warner Brothers & Trek being Paramount...
I don't think it was Roddenberry."Sexually assaulted"? As in rape, or severe come-on?
Do you have a link for that? I know Roddenberry was a frisky fellow, but that sounds a bit past the Prime Directive...
Didn't think it was him... maybe a Paramount guy...? She doesn't name him in her book. Messed up, whoever. I honestly didn't hear about until now.
TMP was the most TOS of the films.
TMP was the most TOS of the films.
True. Then it became more like "Lost in Space" meets Frank Herbert - plot-wise...
Didn't think it was him... maybe a Paramount guy...? She doesn't name him in her book. Messed up, whoever. I honestly didn't hear about until now.
Roddenberry didn't commit the act, but he -did- cover for the person responsible and threw Whitney 'under the bus' as a pot-stirrer accordingly. No one is around to tell who exactly it was, but it was someone in Roddenberry's circle, and not Desilu or NBC.
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