What if they make Khan a good guy?

[Agenda]

It's an alternate reality, after all.

Khan has an ego the size of borg cube. He desires power and the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants. But I could see him being a reasonable man under certain conditions.

I don't think he's inherently evil.

They could explore this concept in one of the sequels.

 

[number6]

What if they don't do Khan at all??

 

[Gojira]

It's an alternate reality, after all.

Khan has an ego the size of borg cube. He desires power and the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants. But I could see him being a reasonable man under certain conditions.

I don't think he's inherently evil.

They could explore this concept in one of the sequels.

I certainly wouldn't mind a "bad guy" that was more multidimensional and not just a cookie cutter bad guy.

 

[Agenda]

What if they don't do Khan at all??

You know they will.

 

[number6]

I hope not.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Get over Khan.
His time is gone.
I'm hoping more
for Koloth or Kor...

 

[shapeshifter]

Intresting... but it is still a Khan rehash.

 

[malchya]

Every time I see or hear "Khan" in regards to XII it is expressed within the confines of my mind just as Shatner bellowed it in the second film. And, like Kirk in TWOK, I really wish he would just go away and leave us alone....

 

[Gojira]

I really do not think Khan is going to be in this movie.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's an alternate reality, after all.

Khan has an ego the size of borg cube. He desires power and the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants. But I could see him being a reasonable man under certain conditions.

I don't think he's inherently evil.

They could explore this concept in one of the sequels.

He's not evil, but he is ( in my non-expert opinion) a megalomaniac with anger control issues. As we see in this exchange where Khan's control slips:

KIRK: Forgive my curiosity, Mister Khan, but my officers are anxious to know more about your extraordinary journey.
SPOCK: And how you managed to keep it out of the history books.
KHAN: Adventure, Captain. Adventure. There was little else left on Earth.
SPOCK: There was the war to end tyranny. Many considered that a noble effort.
KHAN: Tyranny, sir? Or an attempt to unify humanity?
SPOCK: Unify, sir? Like a team of animals under one whip?
KHAN: I know something of those years. Remember, it was a time of great dreams, of great aspiration.
SPOCK: Under dozens of petty dictatorships.
KHAN: One man would have ruled eventually. As Rome under Caesar. Think of its accomplishments.
SPOCK: Then your sympathies were with
KHAN: You are an excellent tactician, Captain. You let your second in command attack while you sit and watch for weakness.
KIRK: You have a tendency to express ideas in military terms, Mister Khan. This is a social occasion.
KHAN: It has been said that social occasions are only warfare concealed. Many prefer it more honest, more open.
KIRK: You fled. Why? Were you afraid?
KHAN: I've never been afraid.
KIRK: But you left at the very time mankind needed courage.
KHAN: We offered the world order!
KIRK: We?
KHAN: Excellent. Excellent. But if you will excuse me, gentlemen and ladies, I grow fatigued again. With your permission, Captain, I will return to my quarters.
(Kirk stands, and Khan leaves.)

If not for the explosion of Cet Alpha VI, I imagine Khan could easliy put together a false "distress signal" to lure a ship to Ceti Alpha V. That ship would give Khan the "material" to forge an Augment Empire in that sector.

 

[Captaindemotion]

It may be an alternate timeline but Khan being a meglomaniac with conquering desires dates from the 20th century and thus will not have been altered by the destruction of the USS Kelvin.

 

[Agenda]

It may be an alternate timeline but Khan being a meglomaniac with conquering desires dates from the 20th century and thus will not have been altered by the destruction of the USS Kelvin.

True, but what if he and his crew were awoken earlier in space and something else happened to them to change his outlook on life? You have up to 25 or so years of alternate reality to work with.

 

[Agenda]

It's an alternate reality, after all.

Khan has an ego the size of borg cube. He desires power and the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants. But I could see him being a reasonable man under certain conditions.

I don't think he's inherently evil.

They could explore this concept in one of the sequels.

He's not evil, but he is ( in my non-expert opinion) a megalomaniac with anger control issues. As we see in this exchange where Khan's control slips:

KIRK: Forgive my curiosity, Mister Khan, but my officers are anxious to know more about your extraordinary journey.
SPOCK: And how you managed to keep it out of the history books.
KHAN: Adventure, Captain. Adventure. There was little else left on Earth.
SPOCK: There was the war to end tyranny. Many considered that a noble effort.
KHAN: Tyranny, sir? Or an attempt to unify humanity?
SPOCK: Unify, sir? Like a team of animals under one whip?
KHAN: I know something of those years. Remember, it was a time of great dreams, of great aspiration.
SPOCK: Under dozens of petty dictatorships.
KHAN: One man would have ruled eventually. As Rome under Caesar. Think of its accomplishments.
SPOCK: Then your sympathies were with
KHAN: You are an excellent tactician, Captain. You let your second in command attack while you sit and watch for weakness.
KIRK: You have a tendency to express ideas in military terms, Mister Khan. This is a social occasion.
KHAN: It has been said that social occasions are only warfare concealed. Many prefer it more honest, more open.
KIRK: You fled. Why? Were you afraid?
KHAN: I've never been afraid.
KIRK: But you left at the very time mankind needed courage.
KHAN: We offered the world order!
KIRK: We?
KHAN: Excellent. Excellent. But if you will excuse me, gentlemen and ladies, I grow fatigued again. With your permission, Captain, I will return to my quarters.
(Kirk stands, and Khan leaves.)

If not for the explosion of Cet Alpha VI, I imagine Khan could easliy put together a false "distress signal" to lure a ship to Ceti Alpha V. That ship would give Khan the "material" to forge an Augment Empire in that sector.

I wonder if it was more nature or nurture that made him do the things he did. I say nurture. If you're told from birth that you're better than everybody else, it wouldn't surprise me if you begin to believe it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think his outlook is part of his genetic make up. A side effect of the Augment process.

 

[horatio83]

I don't think he's inherently evil.

So did the folks who played around with his genes, missing that they did increase his aggressiveness.
The issues you don't anticipate are always the main problems of technological innovation.

 

[Harvey]

How long until they adapt "Space Seed" as part of the comic series and put the notion that Abrams and co. want him in the new movie to rest?

 

[Trekkie2]

It's an alternate reality, after all.

Khan has an ego the size of borg cube. He desires power and the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants. But I could see him being a reasonable man under certain conditions.

I don't think he's inherently evil.

They could explore this concept in one of the sequels.

It's the augment virus that inherently has an evil effect on a person. I tell you what, how about augmented Klingons in the next movie. That's half your wish.

 

[dominion_ruler]

Hmmm...not too keen on "Star Trek II: The Joy of Khan"

 

[7thsealord]

It may be an alternate timeline but Khan being a meglomaniac with conquering desires dates from the 20th century and thus will not have been altered by the destruction of the USS Kelvin.

True, but what if he and his crew were awoken earlier in space and something else happened to them to change his outlook on life? You have up to 25 or so years of alternate reality to work with.

Ethical considerations aside, there is only so much brain surgery that can be done to a person.

Noting too that Augments do not have a good track record in the Trekverse at all. There was that stuff that happened in ENT, and there is a definite bias against them as late as DS9.

Given Spock-Prime would certainly provide warning, my guess is that Star Fleet would make some arrangements - probably meaning that Khan & Co would eventually wake up on a semi-hospitable world someplace (NOT in the Ceti Alpha system!), without a single clue as to who put them there or how or why. A lot of the stuff brought with them for colonization would also be there, but not their ship or any high-tech (for them) gear at all.

Then Star Fleet declares the system strictly off-limits for at least two centuries, with something like TOS's 'General Order 7' ( http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/General_Order_7 ) put into place.

... Or, Star Fleet uses 'Botany Bay' for target practice. I doubt they would consider this option, but you never can tell.

"Rehabilitating" Khan & Co, and then inflicting them on the Galaxy? No. Hell, No.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Grrrrrr! Just because you're using the same characters, a "rehash" does not it make. Look I can't say for certain Khan will be in the next movie - but like I keep saying, it would be stupid of them NOT to utilize an iconic Trek villain... with a whole new set of variables at play, it is NOT a rehash by any definition.

Yes, its an alternate reality, which part of the "fun" of such an animal is to gaze into the familiar through a different sort of lens. The new Trek films need to ride something of a wave of nostalgia as well as being "new" and innovative. I mean if people wanted a truly blank slate - those in charge would have gone with, well a completely blank slate. Yet they did not.

And IF he is in it - I'm betting we're going to see the fruit of that augment seed risen to an empire. All thanks to the incursion into the time line, the Botany Bay's systems were somehow triggered early - could even blame it on Nero himself, just for continuity sake and Khan with his genius built a world that would rival even the Klingons for its intensity.

Plus it would be nice to see the augments as a thriving culture and not a band of pirates as they have been depicted, but at the height of power.