Isn't that exactly what we got with "The Cage" and then "The Menagerie"?
The NX-01 was a "homage" to the Akira.
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What if the new Section 31 series...
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The NX-01 was a "homage" to the Akira.
I guess Spock is good at keeping secrets.Isn't that exactly what we got with "The Cage" and then "The Menagerie"?
The NX-01 was a "homage" to the Akira.
No doubt ...
Talos
Older Brother
Step-Sister
Institutionalized for several months
Father Federation Ambassador
Mother Human (though he did admit this one to his Commanding Officers eventually)
The Discovery and her DASH drive
Section-31
Older Cousin being Himself
Pon Farr
Being related to T'Pau
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Actually, he admits it to the entire bridge crew as early as The Corbomite Maneuver.
I read that someone found an Akira model lying around, thought it was an unused concept design, and decided that's gonna be the NX.
I was bothered by it not appearing in the TMP "All these ships were named Enterprise" display. I really expected it to be the XCV-330.
The story I heard is that someone from the studio went to Berman and told him the ship for the new series had to be an Akira class. AS it was, it took a lot of arm twisting just to get the studio to agree to the retro modifications so that it could fit into a pre-TOS timeframe.
At the very least, there was no "Akira model lying around." The Akira was never a model, it was strictly CG. Indeed, I doubt anyone in 2001 thought it was an unused concept, it had already gotten a lot of on screen attention. The Akira class Thunderchild is what flies by the exploding Borg cube in First Contact, an image reproduced in a lot of Behinds the Scenes books about the movie. An Akira class is frequently featured quite prominently in Dominion War battles (which years later led to a lot of "I saw the NX-01 on DS9" claims). And even Voyager featured an Akira class quite prominently in the episode Message in a Bottle when we see one flanked by two Defiants attacking the Prometheus. Not to mention an Akira class was featured quite prominently on the front of the box for the Dominion War video game, released a few months before the first image of the NX-01 was made public.
I'm, like, maybe, 63% sure Section 31 will be set in the late 24th Century. And I think 63% is actually pretty good when it comes to this stuff. 
Just hear me out.
If Picard is the smash hit it seems like it's going to be, and also factoring in the Lower Decks animated show which will be set only a couple years after Nemesis, suddenly there's a lot of interest in late 24th Century Star Trek.
We know that Discovery is jumping 930 years further into the future for season 3. We also know that at one point Discovery is abandoned only to be found by a guy named Craft 1,000 years later. It's also been suggested that Section 31 could potentially be a replacement, and not an addition. https://www.thewrap.com/how-much-st...access-boldly-tests-limits-of-viewers-fandom/ So my tinfoil hat theory is that at the end of Season 3, the Disco crew discovers (no pun intended) a more reasonable means of time travel (there's literally dozens of time travel methods by then) and decide to get the heck out of the 32nd Century because that place is just too bonkers. However, due to the fact they've installed 32nd Century tech on the Disco, they can't take the ship back with them. But they also find evidence that the first domino that fell and set in motion the unraveling of the Federation began in the late 24th century. So they go there instead to try stop the downfall of the Federation from happening (or something like that).
WHICH... also brings Georgiou to the 24th Century. She somehow finds her way back to Section 31 and starts... doing her thing.
I know that in the real world Discovery and Picard are actually considered to be separate productions, with Disco being shot and Canada and shown internationally on Netflix - while Picard was shot in California and will be shown internationally on Amazon Prime. And any Disco-specific spinoffs are subject to Discovery's television/streaming contracts, which would include Section 31. So there's probably a need to keep the settings of Disco and Picard 'somewhat' separate just for logistic reasons. But I can't help but think that this is where we're going - late 24th Century Star Trek. Like I said, I'm at least 63% sure of this!
Just hear me out.
If Picard is the smash hit it seems like it's going to be, and also factoring in the Lower Decks animated show which will be set only a couple years after Nemesis, suddenly there's a lot of interest in late 24th Century Star Trek.
We know that Discovery is jumping 930 years further into the future for season 3. We also know that at one point Discovery is abandoned only to be found by a guy named Craft 1,000 years later. It's also been suggested that Section 31 could potentially be a replacement, and not an addition. https://www.thewrap.com/how-much-st...access-boldly-tests-limits-of-viewers-fandom/ So my tinfoil hat theory is that at the end of Season 3, the Disco crew discovers (no pun intended) a more reasonable means of time travel (there's literally dozens of time travel methods by then) and decide to get the heck out of the 32nd Century because that place is just too bonkers. However, due to the fact they've installed 32nd Century tech on the Disco, they can't take the ship back with them. But they also find evidence that the first domino that fell and set in motion the unraveling of the Federation began in the late 24th century. So they go there instead to try stop the downfall of the Federation from happening (or something like that).
WHICH... also brings Georgiou to the 24th Century. She somehow finds her way back to Section 31 and starts... doing her thing.
I know that in the real world Discovery and Picard are actually considered to be separate productions, with Disco being shot and Canada and shown internationally on Netflix - while Picard was shot in California and will be shown internationally on Amazon Prime. And any Disco-specific spinoffs are subject to Discovery's television/streaming contracts, which would include Section 31. So there's probably a need to keep the settings of Disco and Picard 'somewhat' separate just for logistic reasons. But I can't help but think that this is where we're going - late 24th Century Star Trek. Like I said, I'm at least 63% sure of this!
Picard scored tax credits from California:
https://deadline.com/2018/12/patric...-kill-california-film-tax-credits-1202516860/
Follow the money ...
23rd century is more likely when you consider the statistics. Section 31, IIRC, is planned to be filmed in Toronto just like Disco. They'll have access to sets already built in Toronto which we know are still standing, such as the Section 31 stealth ship and the Enterprise bridge (which is the most expensive set built for Disco). Toss in the fact they can also use the TOS inspired colour coded uniforms, which likely cost some money and have barely been used, even after factoring in the recent Short Treks. And of course, there's already 23rd century props ready to be used, phasers, rifles, tricorders and so on. Definitely a lot more likely than being in the 24th century, since all the sets, costumes and props for that are in California. It's definitely a more practical option to use what's already in Toronto, which can be shared with Disco than to ship costumes and props from California to Toronto which Picard will likely still need.I'm, like, maybe, 63% sure Section 31 will be set in the late 24th Century. And I think 63% is actually pretty good when it comes to this stuff.
Just hear me out.
If Picard is the smash hit it seems like it's going to be, and also factoring in the Lower Decks animated show which will be set only a couple years after Nemesis, suddenly there's a lot of interest in late 24th Century Star Trek.
We know that Discovery is jumping 930 years further into the future for season 3. We also know that at one point Discovery is abandoned only to be found by a guy named Craft 1,000 years later. It's also been suggested that Section 31 could potentially be a replacement, and not an addition. https://www.thewrap.com/how-much-st...access-boldly-tests-limits-of-viewers-fandom/ So my tinfoil hat theory is that at the end of Season 3, the Disco crew discovers (no pun intended) a more reasonable means of time travel (there's literally dozens of time travel methods by then) and decide to get the heck out of the 32nd Century because that place is just too bonkers. However, due to the fact they've installed 32nd Century tech on the Disco, they can't take the ship back with them. But they also find evidence that the first domino that fell and set in motion the unraveling of the Federation began in the late 24th century. So they go there instead to try stop the downfall of the Federation from happening (or something like that).
WHICH... also brings Georgiou to the 24th Century. She somehow finds her way back to Section 31 and starts... doing her thing.
I know that in the real world Discovery and Picard are actually considered to be separate productions, with Disco being shot and Canada and shown internationally on Netflix - while Picard was shot in California and will be shown internationally on Amazon Prime. And any Disco-specific spinoffs are subject to Discovery's television/streaming contracts, which would include Section 31. So there's probably a need to keep the settings of Disco and Picard 'somewhat' separate just for logistic reasons. But I can't help but think that this is where we're going - late 24th Century Star Trek. Like I said, I'm at least 63% sure of this!
I remember reading that in the Broken Bow novel (it had a bonus background making-of chapter).
I'm, like, maybe, 63% sure Section 31 will be set in the late 24th Century. And I think 63% is actually pretty good when it comes to this stuff.
Just hear me out.
If Picard is the smash hit it seems like it's going to be, and also factoring in the Lower Decks animated show which will be set only a couple years after Nemesis, suddenly there's a lot of interest in late 24th Century Star Trek.
We know that Discovery is jumping 930 years further into the future for season 3. We also know that at one point Discovery is abandoned only to be found by a guy named Craft 1,000 years later. It's also been suggested that Section 31 could potentially be a replacement, and not an addition. https://www.thewrap.com/how-much-st...access-boldly-tests-limits-of-viewers-fandom/ So my tinfoil hat theory is that at the end of Season 3, the Disco crew discovers (no pun intended) a more reasonable means of time travel (there's literally dozens of time travel methods by then) and decide to get the heck out of the 32nd Century because that place is just too bonkers. However, due to the fact they've installed 32nd Century tech on the Disco, they can't take the ship back with them. But they also find evidence that the first domino that fell and set in motion the unraveling of the Federation began in the late 24th century. So they go there instead to try stop the downfall of the Federation from happening (or something like that).
WHICH... also brings Georgiou to the 24th Century. She somehow finds her way back to Section 31 and starts... doing her thing.
I know that in the real world Discovery and Picard are actually considered to be separate productions, with Disco being shot and Canada and shown internationally on Netflix - while Picard was shot in California and will be shown internationally on Amazon Prime. And any Disco-specific spinoffs are subject to Discovery's television/streaming contracts, which would include Section 31. So there's probably a need to keep the settings of Disco and Picard 'somewhat' separate just for logistic reasons. But I can't help but think that this is where we're going - late 24th Century Star Trek. Like I said, I'm at least 63% sure of this!
I like and dislike this at the same time. It makes too much sense, and would be "resetting" things to where we are viewing the "future" as it unfolds, and Trek would have "caught up" to itself. I also agree they've spent too much money on their fake 23rd century props.
In my "hopes and dreams that will never happen" category, if this idea is correct, I have two thoughts
- go fully towards the Enterprise show, with Pike and Spock, and let it lead into a full TOS reboot, with the in-story explanation/*wink wink* that technology was boosted after finding the Borg Drone in the 22nd century - so things aren't perfectly aligned.... as much as it would break canon, I wouldn't mind Lt. Kirk coming from the Farragut disaster to serve under Pike....... OR
- stop messing with the 23rd completely, and let fan films go do their thing again with the 60s styles. I just rewatched STC, and I'm angry all over again......
Then it's somehow managed to remain off all the Wikis from the past 18 years.
Good point. Plus, if they actually do something with Anson Mount's Pike, then it makes all the more sense to keep it 23rd Century.
Herman Zimmerman subsequently commented, "We found a ship [the USS Thunderchild] that was in our archives – a minor vessel that had been used in a battle in one of the features that had been created by ILM. We did not use that ship, but we took ideas from it and from those ideas eventually – and this process took about four months, all week and weekend CGI work by [...] Doug Drexler – we finally came up with [the eventual] shape." (Behind the Scenes of Enterprise)
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/NX_class_model
That may be what Herman Zimmerman remembers, but Doug Drexler once stated on his now-defunct blog that the producers of ENT originally wanted the Akira class ship as the NX-01 as it was, without any modifications. Their logic being that because it was only seen in the background in FC, that nobody would remember it (the same logic that the producers of Star Trek: Generations had when they reused the BoP explosion scene from the movie right before it...Star Trek producers often seem to think that their audiences are a bunch of morons.) Drexler realized how ridiculous this was and was able to convince the producers to make changes to the ship to what we eventually got.
No. I think they genuinely underestimate the detail-oriented nature of fans, as well as the ability to go back and rewatch again and again.
I'd prefer Section 31 take place in the 32nd Century. No need to worry about how seismic shifts effect the status quo of TOS. But it won't be a deal-breaker for me if it takes place in the 23rd. It would be like watching a spy series set during the Cold War. You know the status of relations between the United States and the Soviet Union, but you watch for other reasons like characters, the stories, the intrigue you get from all the details, and all the shady, twisted stuff that happens behind the scenes.
That sounds substantially different than "someone found an Akira model laying around and thought it was an unused concept design" that you originally stated.
Now, this is mentioned on Wikipedia:
"We found a ship [the USS Thunderchild] that was in our archives – a minor vessel that had been used in a battle in one of the features that had been created by ILM."
Right there, he didn't think it was an unused design. He knew it was a used design.
When he says 'We did not use that ship" in the next sentence, he means they didn't use it in Enterprise. Not that it was never used before in Trek.
They said the same about the Borg sphere: No one remembers the Death Star, it can look pretty similar.
I wrote that I remember it that way. BB came out 18 years ago, and I read the German version. I can check what exactly it said when I go back home next year, but it's really not that important.
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