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What if the had been no HItler?

It also depends on why there was "no" Hitler. What if he made it big as a painter. He'd be the Henry Ford of artists. What if he had a successful military career instead of ending up in jail after the first world war. Or if he had a loving father (who was a high ranked military officer if I remember right). Or is this just focused toward a reality where his parents never had sex that night....? The events of WW! also might need to have turned out differently for him not to be a figurehead of WW2.
 
* dons Timey Wimey hat *

kiwi, I think you're forgetting someone.

* points in a vaguely upward direction, salutes and does an impressively slow goosestep, believes Thespeckledkiwi
will get the reference and calmy removes Timey Wimey hat *

Actually I'm a kiwi like the bird, not the uh...people.
 
Well, I feel we'd be pretty safe in assuming that another Nazi leader wouldn't have had such an early fascination with wonder weapons, such as rockets. Heck, Hermann Goering didn't even like radar. He famously said, "It's a box with coils, and I don't like boxes with coils." Their focus would probably have fixed on pointless Aryan genetics to an even greater degree than it was.
 
* dons Timey Wimey hat *

kiwi, I think you're forgetting someone.

* points in a vaguely upward direction, salutes and does an impressively slow goosestep, believes Thespeckledkiwi
will get the reference and calmy removes Timey Wimey hat *

Actually I'm a kiwi like the bird, not the uh...people.
Soooo...didn't get the reference, then? The awesomely slow goose-stepping didn't give it away?
 
* dons Timey Wimey hat *

kiwi, I think you're forgetting someone.

* points in a vaguely upward direction, salutes and does an impressively slow goosestep, believes Thespeckledkiwi
will get the reference and calmy removes Timey Wimey hat *

Actually I'm a kiwi like the bird, not the uh...people.
Soooo...didn't get the reference, then? The awesomely slow goose-stepping didn't give it away?

*cries* Nope. I wish I was a Zealander though :(
 
Soooo...didn't get the reference, then? The awesomely slow goose-stepping didn't give it away?

*cries* Nope. I wish I was a Zealander though :(

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Mine's was better. :D

Maybe you got thrown off by the fact that I shortened your username. I meant kiwi as in you, not kiwi as in Peter Jackson and Lucy Lawless. Sorry about the confusion.
 
The Nazi's would have had someone else as leader, and this thread would be titled something like "What if there had been no Himmler."
 
And also the world would have gone without at least a half dozen good Nazi/Hitler jokes.
 
A man by the name of Hister would have rose to power instead and everyone would then consider Nostradamus to be a true prophet.
 
If there had been no Hitler, I would not exist. For it was due to direct interaction between Hitler and my great-grandfather that prompted my grandfather to immigrate to the US where he met and later married my grandmother.
That applies to almost everyone on the planet born after 1940 or so. Even if the same parents had coupled at about the same time, and given the ensuing children the same names, in each case one of the other 3,000,000 or so sperm would have made it. I doubt there's anyone on this board who'd exist without Hitler having lived the history he did.
 
The Nazi's would have had someone else as leader, and this thread would be titled something like "What if there had been no Himmler."
I don't think this is exactly true. Hitler had some unique characteristics that made him more powerful and more memorable then almost anyone else could have been.
 
The Nazi's would have had someone else as leader, and this thread would be titled something like "What if there had been no Himmler."
I don't think this is exactly true. Hitler had some unique characteristics that made him more powerful and more memorable then almost anyone else could have been.

I agree -- Hitler didn't found the National Socialist German Workers' Party. He became the 55th member after originally being asked to spy on them***. It was his realization that the party could be the vehicle for his own extreme views, and his utter commitment to fulfilling his warped vision of the historic destiny of the "Germanic people" that propelled him to the forefront. I don't think he had any serious rivals for leadership once he gained control of the party.

ETA: *** At the time (1919) called the German Workers' Party.
 
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Forgive me for being a bit of a History noob but I always assumed that things would have played out pretty much as they have, maybe a few facts and figures off here and there but nothing that major in the grand scheme of things. But I always spent more time trying to figure out the mechanics of how time travel would work rather than paying attention in history class so pay no attention to me.
 
Well, many historians would turn up their noses at any discussion of counterfactual history, and most would certainly disdain alternate history.
 
Forgive me for being a bit of a History noob but I always assumed that things would have played out pretty much as they have, maybe a few facts and figures off here and there but nothing that major in the grand scheme of things. But I always spent more time trying to figure out the mechanics of how time travel would work rather than paying attention in history class so pay no attention to me.
That is an interesting speculation: that things would be more or less the same.
It is particularly relevant given your interest in time travel, which this thread is, of a sort. Speculative time travel.
It also has important moral implications: reminding us that it took a lot more than one Adolph Hitler, no matter how brilliantly manipulative and lucky, for the Holocaust to occur.
It took enormous, deep-rooted anti-Semitism already existing for Hitler's insanity to root in. It took neighboring countries selling "its" Jewish population to Germany for slave labor and eventual extermination.
Still, Hitler's passion and strange fixation on the idea that Jews were genetically inferior, and that they were the source of mental retardation, was so strong, such an overall necessity for his vision of a pure State, safe from such genetic "corruption", that its hard to imagine an event on the scale of the Holocaust occuring without him, in the place and time in which he was.
It is an interesting condition of our existence: we are all a drop in the bucket, and yet, in the right places and times, any of us can have a profound effect on the World at large.
One never knows the ripples of causation one's actions puts forth into the world.
 
Wow thats a lot deeper than I intended :lol:.


As far as Time travel goes I know of a few main theories, one being that despite what we may do time has a way of correcting itself, i.e we may kill our grandfather but our grandmother will marry somebody similar and produce somebody close enough to our parent that it makes no difference. I didn't even take G.C.S.E history cause I could sit through a load of lessons about the second world war, which is all English History seems to amount to these days.
 
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