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What if Ron Moore did Buck Rogers in the twenty-fifth century?

^That premise sounds very familiar to me. Has echoes of The Last Starfighter, or Eli's arc in Stargate Universe. The whole "nerd wish fulfillment fantasy" angle is kind of played out by now, I think.

I wasn't thinking nerd wish fulfillment fantasy so much as nerd wish fulfillment nightmare. Think less Last Starfighter and more Sleeping with the Girls or Farscape.

In fact, I was thinking of Sleeping with the Girls when I wrote that. The protagonist's wish fulfillment is quickly overshadowed by the stress of almost dying every few hours, being beaten half to death multiple times with no chance to recover in between, and getting dozens of innocent people killed because of simple errors in his plans leading to desperate gambits that ultimately fail to kill their target and just make things worse. The result is less wish fulfillment and more a very fast downward spiral towards insanity.

How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.
 
I liked the TSR Role Playing Game version of it, but not the later 1930s recreation of it that was dumbed down.

Okay, what are you talking about? What "later 1930s recreation?" You mean something that came out after the late-'80s/early-'90s TSR incarnation but set in a retro, '30s-style world? Are you talking about the next role-playing game that TSR did based on Buck Rogers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Rogers#High-Adventure_Cliffhangers
In 1995, TSR created a new and unrelated Buck Rogers role-playing game called High-Adventure Cliffhangers. This was a return to the themes of the original Buck Rogers comic strips. This game included biplanes and interracial warfare, as opposed to the space combat of the earlier game. There were only a few expansion modules created for High-Adventure Cliffhangers. Shortly afterward, the game was discontinued, and the production of Buck Rogers RPGs and games came to an end. This game was neither widely advertised nor very popular. There were only two published products: the box set, and "War Against the Han".
(And I find it rather shocking that any company could've thought it was a good idea in 1995 to publish a game built around the themes of '30s Yellow-Peril racial warfare.)

The only other thing that even remotely resembles your description was James Cawley's planned webseries which would've portrayed Buck as a WWI-era figure, but that was never actually produced, except for one teaser scene that was released online in 2010. But there's nothing about that scene that resembles '30s adventure serials, and it has no SF elements at all; the whole thing is a scene of Gil Gerard and Erin Gray trying to talk their son "Lucas" (Buck's real name?) out of enlisting in the war in Europe.


How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.

As I keep saying, it's a mistake to assume that the 1979 show's version of the characters is the definitive one. The character debuted in 1929, so obviously he wasn't originally an astronaut. In the original book and comic, he was a former WWI pilot who was working as a mine surveyor when he was exposed to a radioactive gas that put him in suspended animation. In the 1939 serial, he was a dirigible pilot. In the long-lost live TV series from 1950, he was described simply as "an ordinary American" who got to the 25th century through unspecified means.
 
How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.

Only Gil Gerard's Buck was an astronaut.
 
How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls?

I sometimes forget that not everyone has read the same obscure fanfiction that I have.

Sleeping with the Girls is based on the premise of waking up in bed with an attractive fictional woman and having no idea how you got there, all for the amusement of some sadistic godlike being. The protagonist finds himself telporting into the bed of of one of his favorite fictional women every time he falls asleep, often with horrible consequences. Sometimes he tries to help, often with horrible consequences. Most of the time he's just trying to survive, often with horrible consequences.

But yeah, this version of Buck wouldn't be an astronaut. Chriton was an astronaut, but he really was a throwback to that sort of hero. These days, being an astronaut isn't all that exciting. Most of the fun stuff is being done by robots. If the reimagined Buck Rogers was an astronaut then he'd be a rover.

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I can't imagine that you'd easily find a suitable actor to play that.
 
The only other thing that even remotely resembles your description was James Cawley's planned webseries which would've portrayed Buck as a WWI-era figure, but that was never actually produced, except for one teaser scene that was released online in 2010. But there's nothing about that scene that resembles '30s adventure serials, and it has no SF elements at all; the whole thing is a scene of Gil Gerard and Erin Gray trying to talk their son "Lucas" (Buck's real name?) out of enlisting in the war in Europe.
Speaking of which, I noticed that all references to it on IMDB have been deleted, and the iOS tie-in game is now gone from the app store. There hasn't been a single post on the Buck Rogers Begins forum in over a year. Make of that what you will.
 
In the Ron Moore tradition, I think Princess Ardala might become a more sympathetic figure rather than a straight villainess, she is after all this series equivalent to "Baltar". So if Ardala is simply a misunderstood spoiled princess, then what?

Again, it's only in the Glen Larson version that Ardala was a princess. In the original, she was just an "evil adventuress," Kane's partner in crime or subordinate. The Larson series reinterpreted her in a new role, so there's no reason a new series couldn't find a completely different role for her.


I don't like the "Captain Proton" version.

Explain? Which version is that? Are you referring to the Buster Crabbe serial from 1939?
Probably. Science fiction for the silver screen back then was crap, and I wouldn't want a retro homage to it such as "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow". Science fiction needs to maintain some plausibility, and I'm not interested in recreating some hokey black and white sci fi flick. I'm more interested in modernizing it rather than going backwards. I liked the TSR Role Playing Game version of it, but not the later 1930s recreation of it that was dumbed down. The TSR XXV game was set entirely within the Solar System, the main adversary was a terraformed Mars.
Raiders of the Lost sure sucked, didn't it?
 
I liked the TSR Role Playing Game version of it, but not the later 1930s recreation of it that was dumbed down.

Okay, what are you talking about? What "later 1930s recreation?" You mean something that came out after the late-'80s/early-'90s TSR incarnation but set in a retro, '30s-style world? Are you talking about the next role-playing game that TSR did based on Buck Rogers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Rogers#High-Adventure_Cliffhangers
In 1995, TSR created a new and unrelated Buck Rogers role-playing game called High-Adventure Cliffhangers. This was a return to the themes of the original Buck Rogers comic strips. This game included biplanes and interracial warfare, as opposed to the space combat of the earlier game. There were only a few expansion modules created for High-Adventure Cliffhangers. Shortly afterward, the game was discontinued, and the production of Buck Rogers RPGs and games came to an end. This game was neither widely advertised nor very popular. There were only two published products: the box set, and "War Against the Han".
(And I find it rather shocking that any company could've thought it was a good idea in 1995 to publish a game built around the themes of '30s Yellow-Peril racial warfare.)

The only other thing that even remotely resembles your description was James Cawley's planned webseries which would've portrayed Buck as a WWI-era figure, but that was never actually produced, except for one teaser scene that was released online in 2010. But there's nothing about that scene that resembles '30s adventure serials, and it has no SF elements at all; the whole thing is a scene of Gil Gerard and Erin Gray trying to talk their son "Lucas" (Buck's real name?) out of enlisting in the war in Europe.


How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.

As I keep saying, it's a mistake to assume that the 1979 show's version of the characters is the definitive one. The character debuted in 1929, so obviously he wasn't originally an astronaut. In the original book and comic, he was a former WWI pilot who was working as a mine surveyor when he was exposed to a radioactive gas that put him in suspended animation. In the 1939 serial, he was a dirigible pilot. In the long-lost live TV series from 1950, he was described simply as "an ordinary American" who got to the 25th century through unspecified means.

Don't go with the radioactive gas, that is just dumb.
 
How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls?

I sometimes forget that not everyone has read the same obscure fanfiction that I have.

Sleeping with the Girls is based on the premise of waking up in bed with an attractive fictional woman and having no idea how you got there, all for the amusement of some sadistic godlike being. The protagonist finds himself telporting into the bed of of one of his favorite fictional women every time he falls asleep, often with horrible consequences. Sometimes he tries to help, often with horrible consequences. Most of the time he's just trying to survive, often with horrible consequences.

But yeah, this version of Buck wouldn't be an astronaut. Chriton was an astronaut, but he really was a throwback to that sort of hero. These days, being an astronaut isn't all that exciting. Most of the fun stuff is being done by robots. If the reimagined Buck Rogers was an astronaut then he'd be a rover.

KmKSU.jpg


I can't imagine that you'd easily find a suitable actor to play that.

Doesn't sound much like science fiction, more like playboy. Science fiction is supposed to get you to think. Some playboy scene isn't going to attract many female viewers.

I don't think much of science fiction as just an excuse to show women scantily clad or sex scenes.
 
How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.

Only Gil Gerard's Buck was an astronaut.

Which makes sense if you want him to be a hot shot space pilot, a world war I biplane is a joke. Could you imagine Buck getting in front of his spaceship to spin the prop?
 
The point is, all that matters is that Buck is a present-day person with aviation experience who somehow ends up in suspended animation and wakes up in the 25th century. There are a lot of possible ways that can happen. The Buster Crabbe serial and the Gil Gerard series reinvented his origin, so a new interpretation could easily do the same.

And you still haven't answered my question about what "later 1930s recreation" you were referring to.
 
How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.

Only Gil Gerard's Buck was an astronaut.

Which makes sense if you want him to be a hot shot space pilot, a world war I biplane is a joke. Could you imagine Buck getting in front of his spaceship to spin the prop?

True, but they could go Last Starfighter route with how he knows how to fly. Even having to manually pilot a spaceship is becoming an anachronism in itself.
 
Probably. Science fiction for the silver screen back then was crap, and I wouldn't want a retro homage to it such as "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow". Science fiction needs to maintain some plausibility, and I'm not interested in recreating some hokey black and white sci fi flick. I'm more interested in modernizing it rather than going backwards.


There are no really plausible modern space adventure stories - it's simply not possible, sorry. Every popular one succeeds by embracing anachronism, simplistic technological ideas and a lot of nonsense.
 
How would ole Buck get is astronaut wings if all he was interested in was chasing after girls? Most Nerds don't get to be astronauts, so when we start out with Buck, we need to remember he's an astronaut first,m and somebody who spends all night in his basement with a computer is not astronaut material.

Only Gil Gerard's Buck was an astronaut.

Which makes sense if you want him to be a hot shot space pilot, a world war I biplane is a joke. Could you imagine Buck getting in front of his spaceship to spin the prop?
Flying a plane is flying a plane, and the difference between piloting a biplane and a modern jet is far less different than flying any aircraft and a real spacecraft: which don't use control surfaces and don't fly in any way like a plane.
 
There were intelligent people back in the 1910's too. Some were just as intelligent as any born today.

In real life, stripped bare, a 20th century man transplanted to the 25th century would probably be just as able as a 21st century man.

What's a joke is assuming that a 20th century man would act like one of the Three Stooges.
 
If Ron Moore did Buck Rogers:

  • It would be literate;
  • The people in it would be interesting;
  • It would be way better than Glen Larson's dimwitted shit.

In other words, nothing new.
 
I don't think much of science fiction as just an excuse to show women scantily clad or sex scenes.

The story I mentioned isn't about sex. Waking up in bed with fictional women is just a device to put the protagonist in life-threatening situations with little rest or respite. Waking up beside a sociopathic combat cyborg or a literal demon from hell isn't sexy, it's frightening. There isn't any sex. There are desperate fights for survival and occasionally bluffs involving live hand grenades.

The point is that Buck would be thrown into high-stress situations that he's not equipped to handle, almost constantly, and this isn't a good thing for mental health.
 
I don't think much of science fiction as just an excuse to show women scantily clad or sex scenes.

The story I mentioned isn't about sex. Waking up in bed with fictional women is just a device to put the protagonist in life-threatening situations with little rest or respite. Waking up beside a sociopathic combat cyborg or a literal demon from hell isn't sexy, it's frightening. There isn't any sex. There are desperate fights for survival and occasionally bluffs involving live hand grenades.

The point is that Buck would be thrown into high-stress situations that he's not equipped to handle, almost constantly, and this isn't a good thing for mental health.

Oh sure, then why wake up in bed, why wake up at all? The demon or cyborg could probably dispose of Buck Rogers before he wakes up, and why a bed? Doesn't make sense to me unless its an X-rated Porn movie.
 
There were intelligent people back in the 1910's too. Some were just as intelligent as any born today.

In real life, stripped bare, a 20th century man transplanted to the 25th century would probably be just as able as a 21st century man.

What's a joke is assuming that a 20th century man would act like one of the Three Stooges.

How is a radioactive gas supposed to put someone in suspended animation? it doesn't make physical sense, at least when you freeze somebody their molecules slow down. I don't know under what circumstance a World War I fighter can get in perfect suspended animation by accident. A more plausible story line is an astronaut in the near future freezes himself deliberately.
 
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