Haven't seen Andromeda, so I didn't get the reference.
What if Neelix had been Kazon?
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Haven't seen Andromeda, so I didn't get the reference.
imagine that Khan had won the Eugenics war and baseline humans were kept as slaves and pets by a master race. So you have casts of supermen, "Nietzschians", posturing for dominance across the stars insisting that their genetic superiority is proof positive that they should be in charge. Now one of those casts had been culled back to a single surly bastard with a chip on his shoulder with some serious entitlement issues ("When heat-death finally claims the universe, there's are only going to be three things left alive... Tyr Annastasi, the cockroaches and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cockroaches.) who needs to protection of the most powerful star ship in the three galaxies to plan and muss (Think Pinky and the brain)from, so that eventually, after a few false starts (half way through year 4) he can make a play for all the marbles at the expense of his friends and Captain-Space-Hercules aboard the Andromeda.
Week to week it's a little shit, but there's some grand story telling in the plotting.
Week to week it's a little shit, but there's some grand story telling in the plotting.
Sounds interesting. I wish I had more time to watch more sci fi. I'm just getting caught up on VOY ten years after the fact.
Missed the point completely.
It was her defiance and "independent" attitude that got her caught and made into a slave in the first place, none of which ever helped her get free. She was a slave upon Neelix and the Voyager crew meeting her. So to play upon the hypothetical idea that Neelix is now Kazon, Kes would still be a slave to him.
Anywhoo...
As far as Neelix being Kazon.
I think we've done the outsider to my own race to death on Trek, especially after Odo.
Been there, done that kinda with Worf.
And with Seska too, who became Queen of all but Voyager.
Which is a job they offered Caesar (Emperor of all but Rome.) before he crossed the Rubicon.
Which is a job they offered Caesar (Emperor of all but Rome.) before he crossed the Rubicon.
Rom's Sehlat Yes said:^Especially, from what we saw in the pilot, considering the fact that they seemed to dumb to even think of distilling water from Hydrogen and Oxygen, and failing that just flying to another planet and get some from there!
Then again we see other cultures do things that don't really gel with what we expect from a warp capable society, such as the Klingons, who seem to de-evolve between TOS and TNG, sometimes to such an extent that you wonder how they ever developed space flight in the first place!
That legend of about how the Klingons killed their gods.
That's how the humans adopted all the Goul'ds tech in another fictional universe.
Thought it was obvious.
That's how the humans adopted all the Goul'ds tech in another fictional universe.
Thought it was obvious.
The Klingons stole their spacefaring tech from the Hur'q when they invaded the Klingon Homeworld around 1000 AD.
I dunno, he didn't take over the Klingon Empire so much as just clear his name with them. Neelix getting the VOY crew's help to take over the Kazon would be more pragmatic in execution, I'd think.
I dunno, he didn't take over the Klingon Empire so much as just clear his name with them. Neelix getting the VOY crew's help to take over the Kazon would be more pragmatic in execution, I'd think.
If he used Voyager to steal an empire, the lads going to be stabbed in his sleep the instant Janeway sets sail for home, which is why Starfleet avoids getting caught up in strictly internal conflicts.
This is why there are still us troops in Iraq, and how when they finally leave, there will be little to no lasting effect for all their extended effort and presence that the assholes, or their identical younger twin replacements, are just going to return and it's business as usual after they've filled a few mass graves.
Seska conquered the kazon by spreading her legs.
Janeway had trouble running away from them with the help of the most powerful and fastest warship in the sector.
This is why there are still us troops in Iraq, and how when they finally leave, there will be little to no lasting effect for all their extended effort and presence that the assholes, or their identical younger twin replacements, are just going to return and it's business as usual after they've filled a few mass graves.
Seska conquered the kazon by spreading her legs.
Janeway had trouble running away from them with the help of the most powerful and fastest warship in the sector.
If the Kazon really did subscribe to a tribal/gang type society then Neelix (being a Kazon warrior male) killing Cullah might be considered an acceptable act to gain leadership.
As for being killed in his sleep...if THAT was acceptable someone would've offed Cullah LONG ago.
And hell, with him in charge of one group and helping the VOY crew in "Alliances" to save the other Sect leaders from the Trabe (instead of abandoning them all) which they'd respect Janeway for, they'd have the start of a Delta Federation right there. Or at least the end of the Kazon being a bunch of marauding morons once Neelix teaches them the secret recipe to water he'd get from VOY.
As for being killed in his sleep...if THAT was acceptable someone would've offed Cullah LONG ago.
And hell, with him in charge of one group and helping the VOY crew in "Alliances" to save the other Sect leaders from the Trabe (instead of abandoning them all) which they'd respect Janeway for, they'd have the start of a Delta Federation right there. Or at least the end of the Kazon being a bunch of marauding morons once Neelix teaches them the secret recipe to water he'd get from VOY.
Culluh had friends he can trust.
(After his little revolution, it was well into 1962 before Castro had a good nights sleep.)
Baring mass purges and columns of crucifixions, Neelix would be surrounded STILL by those same friends.
The klingons say that there is hierarchy that must be followed that you can only kill your direct superior and queue jumping is frowned upon.
This isn't like The Riddick Chronicles or Kull the Conqueror, where with one lucky shot and suddenly some deush mercenary is the king of the castle.
(Or maybe it is?)
Notice how when "Nog" killed a Maje he didn't get to be topdog, he was bloody lucky to get out of that one with all his fingers.
(After his little revolution, it was well into 1962 before Castro had a good nights sleep.)
Baring mass purges and columns of crucifixions, Neelix would be surrounded STILL by those same friends.
The klingons say that there is hierarchy that must be followed that you can only kill your direct superior and queue jumping is frowned upon.
This isn't like The Riddick Chronicles or Kull the Conqueror, where with one lucky shot and suddenly some deush mercenary is the king of the castle.
(Or maybe it is?)
Notice how when "Nog" killed a Maje he didn't get to be topdog, he was bloody lucky to get out of that one with all his fingers.
Well then, maybe Neelix CAN have friends of his own still in the Sect. Spies who help him and VOY, and it seemed like there were other Kazon in Cullah's group that were beginning to get tired of him as the show went on.
Plus, the recipe for water! That would win him some supporters.
Plus, the recipe for water! That would win him some supporters.
No, he didn't.
If he did, he wouldn't have needed to rely on Seska and they would have been informing him that she was using him. We never even saw that Culluh had a second in command before Seska. If he had, he would have been envious of her and her manipulating. There was nobody looking out for him.
The exploited Ferengi at the bottom of the totem are all aware of their exploitative system and don't want to change it for the better, they want to ascend to the top and become the exploiters.
Guinevere, Gertrude?
The girl is sometimes more important than the crown.
(Was Han Solo "technically" later on the King of Aalderan?)
However...
Two guys one girl, it's the oldest story in the world.
(even if one of them is your brother Leia.)
(Actually the oldest story is the Odyssey and I never quite cottoned on before that Neelix is Prince Paris who stole Helen of troy from Menalaus, which launched a thousand ships in chase after the mans wayward wife. Sound familiar? I've always been so caught up in the fact that there's already a guy called Paris on board Voyager to think that there could be another, in metaphor at least. )
It doesn't mater that Culluh was a fool to trust those around him after Seska turned up, that he could have had more loyal attendants, or even that betrayal would be expected "for cause" in their feudal system because it is the act of trust that is important here, which allowed him to sleep soundly, not how foolish or dangerous it was because it's only a question of how "safe" he felt, not how sad it was that he didn't already realise that he'd already lost everything to a cunning beautiful lady who wore his testicles as earrings.
Of course, simple question, was he blind to what a bitch she was because he was an idiot or because he was in love with her?
I assume that before she altered the balance of power that he was unquestionably the mightiest Kazon in his sect and that everyone followed him loyally to the death.
This is why the Romans killed Jesus.
Guinevere, Gertrude?
The girl is sometimes more important than the crown.
(Was Han Solo "technically" later on the King of Aalderan?)
However...
Two guys one girl, it's the oldest story in the world.
(even if one of them is your brother Leia.)
(Actually the oldest story is the Odyssey and I never quite cottoned on before that Neelix is Prince Paris who stole Helen of troy from Menalaus, which launched a thousand ships in chase after the mans wayward wife. Sound familiar? I've always been so caught up in the fact that there's already a guy called Paris on board Voyager to think that there could be another, in metaphor at least. )
It doesn't mater that Culluh was a fool to trust those around him after Seska turned up, that he could have had more loyal attendants, or even that betrayal would be expected "for cause" in their feudal system because it is the act of trust that is important here, which allowed him to sleep soundly, not how foolish or dangerous it was because it's only a question of how "safe" he felt, not how sad it was that he didn't already realise that he'd already lost everything to a cunning beautiful lady who wore his testicles as earrings.
Of course, simple question, was he blind to what a bitch she was because he was an idiot or because he was in love with her?
I assume that before she altered the balance of power that he was unquestionably the mightiest Kazon in his sect and that everyone followed him loyally to the death.
This is why the Romans killed Jesus.
I'd think it was the latter of the two.
Gangs in real life don't do that either.
Enemies usually stay enemies for life.
Gangbangers usually don't conceed until they get old...........or get rich like Snoop Dog.
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