Uhura was still alive as the head of Starfleet Intelligence in the Lost Era, but I'm not sure if she appeared in anything that took place during and after TNG.
What If: Kirk didn't die on Viridian 3?
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Uhura was still alive as the head of Starfleet Intelligence in the Lost Era, but I'm not sure if she appeared in anything that took place during and after TNG.
Who can say how much of the Shatnerverse novels is Bill and how much is Judy and Gar....except them?
For me, they are good up to a point. Somehow, Kirk having any serious, long-lasting relationship just doesn't work. But, that may be more of my reaction to how it was written.
I read part of 'Captain's Blood' and then put it down. The whole business about attempted reunification with the Romulans has been something that I have found to be extremely boring. They just go on and on and on with all of that and it becomes very tedious and tiresome after a while. There are other stories to tell. Enough, already.
For me, they are good up to a point. Somehow, Kirk having any serious, long-lasting relationship just doesn't work. But, that may be more of my reaction to how it was written.
I read part of 'Captain's Blood' and then put it down. The whole business about attempted reunification with the Romulans has been something that I have found to be extremely boring. They just go on and on and on with all of that and it becomes very tedious and tiresome after a while. There are other stories to tell. Enough, already.
-Picard makes Kirk his first officer while Riker gets a command of his own
-Picard schools Kirk in diplomacy skills during Insurrection
-Kirk romances the borg Queen instead of Data in First Contact
-Picard & Kirk star in a spinoff where they are stranded in the Delta Quadrant with only the 2 of them in a shuttle for 7 seasons
-90's style trek TV shows continue airing until present day
-Pop culture becomes obsessed with the Picard & Kirk dynamic and results in funding a real warp drive
-Humanity evolves and expands throughout the galaxy
-Half the galaxy follows Picard's ideals goes to war with the other half which follows Kirk's
-Temporal agents from the Picard faction arrive and interfere with the timeline rewriting Kirk to die on Viridian 3
-Picard schools Kirk in diplomacy skills during Insurrection
-Kirk romances the borg Queen instead of Data in First Contact
-Picard & Kirk star in a spinoff where they are stranded in the Delta Quadrant with only the 2 of them in a shuttle for 7 seasons
-90's style trek TV shows continue airing until present day
-Pop culture becomes obsessed with the Picard & Kirk dynamic and results in funding a real warp drive
-Humanity evolves and expands throughout the galaxy
-Half the galaxy follows Picard's ideals goes to war with the other half which follows Kirk's
-Temporal agents from the Picard faction arrive and interfere with the timeline rewriting Kirk to die on Viridian 3
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and kirk tells picard what to do if a alien princess inquires about spankings
...I don't understand the question. Kirk didn't die on Veridian III. His echo did. The real Kirk was rescued by Spock in the 23rd century as soon as Spock heard that Kirk was missing and presumed dead.
Anything else is out of character, IMO.
Anything else is out of character, IMO.
The thing that always bugged me was how Spock recognized Kirk in Star Trek (2009) Chris Pine is nothing like Shatner!!! 
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Man.... that sounds awesomely hilarious.... especially from this TOSer.
Generations killed TNG for me, and I never looked back. I'll never forgive them.... for the death.. of Kirk....
You say that like those are bad things
Exactly!
Honestly, I think making the movies a mixed Franchise would have made it all work... mix and match from all the shows, and the original movie franchises. Keep everyone in play. It would have really made it all that much more special, big budget and movie-like. Shoot, what would the dynamics be of Admiral Picard giving orders to Captain Kirk? Or Picard being pulled back into the Collective, where Kirk would finally get to fight both the Borg and Picard? What would have happened if Picard stayed in the Nexus for a movie, and Kirk used his rank to take command of the Enterprise E? There could have been some very cool character interactions and chemistry.
With a short cameo of Sisko complaining over subspace to Kirk: I knew that man couldn't be trusted! Now get him!
I'm sorry to say this, I really am, but that sounds awful!
Honestly, I think the DS9 crew would be more fun to cross over with the TOS cast then TNG anyways - Scotty needs to have a drink at Quarks..... haha.
Really, though, the ability to mix and match from the various shows could have given us endless new combos for movie ideas and groupings.
Because Pine was playing the same character. They may look different to us, the audience, but they obviously look the same in-universe.The thing that always bugged me was how Spock recognized Kirk in Star Trek (2009) Chris Pine is nothing like Shatner!!!
Not according to the comics, they don't.
Yeah, for the sake of that one story where the Shatner and Pine Kirks switched places. It made that particular story easier, so that's how they did it.
But the movie obviously intended for them to look the same. This is further reinforced when Prime Spock sees Simon Pegg and immediately says, "You are Montgomery Scott."
Actually, not just that. There were two prior examples, one their first Mirror Universe story which starts off with Kelvin-timeline McCoy and Scotty discussing the multi-verse, which features artwork of them being shadowed by their Prime Universe selves, drawn in the likenesses of Kelley and Doohan. Then there was the story where the Kelvin-timeline crew meet a gender-swapped Enterprise crew. In the climax to that story, many cameos from around the multiverse are made, including Geordi La Forge and a Kirk drawn in Shatner's likeness.
Okay. But the fact remains that the movie obviously meant for them to look exactly the same as the characters we watched on TOS.
Well the comics are not canon.
Besides, Prime Spock recognized both Kirk and Scotty.
I assume that McCoy died in the show the same time DeKelley died in real life.
I think Kirk could have adjusted but he may have had initial problems with some of the changes in Starfleet. Klingons, for one. But then he would have seen how many new gendered alien races there are to try out and he'd get over it.
I think Kirk could have adjusted but he may have had initial problems with some of the changes in Starfleet. Klingons, for one. But then he would have seen how many new gendered alien races there are to try out and he'd get over it.
...I don't understand the question. Kirk didn't die on Veridian III. His echo did. The real Kirk was rescued by Spock in the 23rd century as soon as Spock heard that Kirk was missing and presumed dead.
Anything else is out of character, IMO.
The novel "Engines of Destiny" by Gene DeWeese actually does just that. In that case it's Scotty who saves Kirk just before he is 'lost.' Scotty had felt guilty because he felt he did not do enough to prevent Kirk's 'death.'
Basically Scotty after he is rescued by the Enterprise D from the Dyson Sphere (but before Generations) figures out a way to go back in time and rescue Kirk. And he's very careful to do it just after Kirk is successful because he doesn't want to change the timeline. The Enterprise-B is saved, they still think Kirk is dead and so on. Everything is at it was....or is it?
Scotty learns there are serious consequences though. He and Kirk find no Federation and Earth is overrun by the Borg.
I found it to be a fascinating book. It's sort of the same as would you safe JFK from being assassinated if you could? Scotty thinks he is doing a good thing but finds out he didn't. There's even a moment in the book where Kirk gently rebukes Scotty for messing with history. Ironic in a way because he is arguing for why he needs to die (he does not know about the Nexus at this point).
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