Like how frozen chips are already half done and that's why you only have to heat them?
What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?
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Like how frozen chips are already half done and that's why you only have to heat them?
I think a four year old counselor would be perfect. At least then she would know she has no idea what she's talking about.
I mean, if you've got a neurochemically based psychiatric issue, you what the experienced professional. But if you are just having a difficult time emotionally and need somebody to help you work out your problems, you want an adaptive thinker, and Kes is the very definition of an adaptive thinker.
I know she is and I think they portrayed the swiftness of the Ocampa learning well, adaption being a part of that. But I still wouldn't talk to someone with that little life experience. Sure she has crammed a lot into a short period of time (some of it awful) but one thing she may not understand is the process of reflection over much longer time.
Well, Icheb wasn't old enough to be considered a man, but he did wear some of what looked like Wesley's hand-me-downs.
Okay, somebody needs to write a Voyager/M*A*S*H* crossover. And I want the scene where Hawkeye is standing on a table in the mess hall, livid over yet another meal of Leola Root Stew, and banging his plate with his spoon and bellowing, "We want something ELSE! We want something ELSE!"
Why have an EMH that couldn't touch solid objects? If he's to function as a doctor when there aren't any other doctors, everybody's screwed.
TNG had 3 main female characters in its first season: Crusher, Troi, and Tasha.
I'm glad they got rid of Kes. I didn't care for the character from the get-go, and as time went on she kept getting more Magic Ocampa Powers that were just getting ridiculous.
Wow, I can't believe that I forgot about the fact that TNG had three female leads in Season 1!!
I would think that if Kes had stuck around they would not have given her such vast magic powers like they did in The Gift. Otherwise, she would have sent them all the way home! But I agree that having such magical power is ridiculous... that is why I've never been a big Q fan. Don't get me wrong, he is very entertaining and John de Lancie is a good actor. But, I don't like the concept of having a character on the show (even from time to time) that can practically do anything.
I think the difference between the female leads in TNG and Voyager is that in VOY you have a female captain, and an engineer, one is the lead character, and the other has a non traditional gender role.
In TNG you had Tasha as the security chief, similar situation with B'lanna, but Troi was a counselor, and Beverly was a doctor. Beverly had a traditonally important and respected job, but she and Troi were both caregivers, and Beverly was a mother, which is great, but it puts her more in a traditional role.
Voyager's women tended to be in untraditional roles for their gender. Even when they put Seven in a catsuit, she was still a scientific genius who was ruled by cold logic more than emotion.
And yeah, of course Kes's power wouldn't have peaked so early if she had stayed. I liked her mysterious psychic powers. It made her seem more alien, and interesting. Even her own power wasn't understood by her due to the way the Caretaker had inhibited the Ocampan's growth as a species.
In TNG you had Tasha as the security chief, similar situation with B'lanna, but Troi was a counselor, and Beverly was a doctor. Beverly had a traditonally important and respected job, but she and Troi were both caregivers, and Beverly was a mother, which is great, but it puts her more in a traditional role.
Voyager's women tended to be in untraditional roles for their gender. Even when they put Seven in a catsuit, she was still a scientific genius who was ruled by cold logic more than emotion.
And yeah, of course Kes's power wouldn't have peaked so early if she had stayed. I liked her mysterious psychic powers. It made her seem more alien, and interesting. Even her own power wasn't understood by her due to the way the Caretaker had inhibited the Ocampan's growth as a species.
So the difference is that Voyager's female characters filled more "masculine" roles aboard ship? 
B'Elanna was a mother in addition to being an engineer.
Seven took on a caregiver's role with the Borg children, and as a surrogate mother to Icheb even after the other Borg kids left.
B'Elanna was a mother in addition to being an engineer.Seven took on a caregiver's role with the Borg children, and as a surrogate mother to Icheb even after the other Borg kids left.
Sure they could make life size card board cut outs of the entire crew, and then they would all sell as well as another, but after Seven, only the Seven card board cut outs would sell. In the wake of that only some one like Jennifer who is as blond and breasted as Jeri would feel insulted that their minor difference in body type would create a monopoly.
I don't think it would have made a difference nor do I believe if Kes stayed instead of Kim, that tptb would have done anything more too her than what they did with Kim. I don't think she would have gotten many great screen time moments with Seven, cause Kim sure didn't. I don't believe keeping her would have suddenly inspired the writers to do more with her than they already did. Besides, getting rid of Kes improved how they wrote for Neelix. Even when she was there, Picardo stole all the lines and hogged the scenes anyway.
I also agree that getting rid of the one Asian actor on the show to have two blonde/blue eyed white women, would have brought into question Trek's promotion of diversity. Much like Sisko, characters like Sulu & Kim are more than just characters. They're a symbol of progression, diversity & inspiration to thousands worldwide that share that race/culture. If Uhura can inspire Whoopi Goldberg, then some young Asian child is seeing Harry Kim as one of the few Asian characters on TV and saying "I can be an Actor.", "I can be an Astronaut".
I also agree that getting rid of the one Asian actor on the show to have two blonde/blue eyed white women, would have brought into question Trek's promotion of diversity. Much like Sisko, characters like Sulu & Kim are more than just characters. They're a symbol of progression, diversity & inspiration to thousands worldwide that share that race/culture. If Uhura can inspire Whoopi Goldberg, then some young Asian child is seeing Harry Kim as one of the few Asian characters on TV and saying "I can be an Actor.", "I can be an Astronaut".
I never really minded Harry Kim. Like many ST characters he had his moments of brilliance and being monumentally stupid. And if the show had permanently fired the actor, that would have left them with the problem of who would be Tom's new best friend (as in somebody to pal around with who wasn't B'Elanna). Even if Neelix were to eventually get over his jealousy, I really can't imagine Kes fulfilling that role.
Kes joking about the Delaney sisters. Kes kicking back at Sandrines. Kes playing Captain Proton.
Nope, doesn't work.
That and I can't imagine Kes being the wildcat in bed, B'Elanna is.
OH well I was saying how she would substitute for Harry as a friend.
As to the bed, meh.. I've never found her attractive that way.
As to the bed, meh.. I've never found her attractive that way.
See how you need to be here.
So you think Tom and Neelix would be a good match too?
Most straight men in the civilized parts of the world, have embraced the game theory of homosexuality and try to be affirmative and helpful in aiding their friends pursuit of happiness.
It's really the same as guiding a female friend (Harry met Sally!) towards some sort of coitus.
Is it sexist to think that women are more enlightened than men?
What does Kes do to chill out that doesn't involve improving herself in some way?
She would make a bad friend, bad wingman, bad love interest for Tom.
She would make a bad friend, bad wingman, bad love interest for Tom.
Did she continue to watch the 90s soaps off the Library Computer?
What the frakk was that drivel doing in Voyagers Cultural Database?
What the frakk was that drivel doing in Voyagers Cultural Database?
I thought they watched it when they were in orbit over 90's earth?
They did.
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