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What hell is wrong with health care in the States!?!

Well the pens, mugs clock, and fancy dinners thing officially became against the rules Jan 1st this year, so no more worries about that. Dinners can still be had, but now there must be a guest speaker attending. No more printing drug names on anything, not even sticky notes. (This was probably a huge blow for the worthless promotional crap industry.) This of course only applies to the big pharm companies, the smaller ones, the ones that don't advertise on tv, can still do what they want.

Really, at every stage of the process people are trying to save or make as much money as possible. From the pharmacist that switches you to generic even though it gives you a stomach ache and splits your rx in to two so they can collect two co-pays, to the clinic that won't lance your boil because insurance companies only pay them $5 to do it and it's not worth their time. It's not just the government or the big faceless corporations, it's everyone. It's shitty, but it works because personal health is one of those things few people like to compromise on.

There are problems on all sides of the equation. As bad as the pharma corps and the insurance companies are, I'd say a good portion of the care at an actual clinic is uselessly soaked up by hypochondriacs and well meaning people who spend time on diagnoseyourselfwithcancer.com and get scared shitless. Yeah, lets do 20 tests and a 30 minute consultation on your phantom eyelid pain that is most likely just some random nerve twitch but you think is lymphoma because the internets told you so. To top that off the people that really should be coming in, the ones with the life threatening chronic issues that need to be kept in check, ignore appointments and phone calls and only show up once blood starts coming out of a hole that it isn't supposed to. Oh god, and the self medicating patients that come in with a sack of pills with 20 different people's names on it. That's not to mention the constant threat of litigation. Dangerous essential surgery needs to be done and the priority is always "cover your ass." Which means it's just musical chairs with red tape until someone decides to give in and sign off on it. Everyone agrees it's essential, but who wants to be caught without a chair if the guy stokes out in the operating room? It's nobodies fault that happened, but damned if the family isn't going to try to get some cash out of it. Shitty patients do their part to fuck up the medical infrastructure.

Personally, I think Universal Health Care would be fucking awesome. For awhile I had to pay 480 bucks bi-weekly for one medication, and that was WITH full coverage on Blue-cross. But then I wonder if all the good doctors will branch off in to elective fields where the money is at, and we'll be left with a bunch of Dr. Nicks. And maybe the asshole patients, unchecked by monetary considerations, multiply and clog the gears so you'll have to wait three months to get some minor surgery done. Would the drug companies stop doing stupid shit like adding baking soda to an antacid and renaming it just to keep it from going generic, or would they stop hardcore research alltogether because the money just isn't there? Would it be better? Or would it just be a different brand of bullshit?

Anyways, if your stool is ever black and sticky for a time and you didn't just eat a bunch of tar... please go to the doctors right away because you're probably bleeding internally.
 
Since my question has been apparently skipped over by the flood of posts, I'll ask again.
For those of you who did this or that surgery or stayed in a hospital for a week and paid little to nothing, I ask who paid for it?

I mean doctors and surgeons don't work for free and neither do their machines and tools...

Just curious...
 
What's messed up is that most pay insurance every month, just in case, and then still have to pay out of all orifices.
 
Since my question has been apparently skipped over by the flood of posts, I'll ask again.
For those of you who did this or that surgery or stayed in a hospital for a week and paid little to nothing, I ask who paid for it?

I mean doctors and surgeons don't work for free and neither do their machines and tools...

Just curious...

My insurance company.
 
I guess I was referring to those outside the US who were lamenting our health care system...
 
Since my question has been apparently skipped over by the flood of posts, I'll ask again.
For those of you who did this or that surgery or stayed in a hospital for a week and paid little to nothing, I ask who paid for it?

I mean doctors and surgeons don't work for free and neither do their machines and tools...

Just curious...

The Government does. We pay taxes for these sorts of things. Well worth it, and a comparable amount of taxes as you guys pay. But I get health care. :)
 
I have never gotten a missile. :(

Is that something you have to apply for? Is there a box I can check on my tax return?
 
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You guys should blame Iraq for your lack of health care.
That works for the last five years. Now what should I blame for the 50 years before that? It's a rhetorical question since I've always had health insurance.
 
You know what - you two are 100% correct. I hope you would help me encourage all the enlightened progressive liberals to join you in Canada so they can enjoy the benefits of universal healthcare. :techman:

Heaven forbid there be liberals in the United States! :eek:

:p

Oh ya, the majority of Americans voted for one :D

I hope the tongue means you know I was joking.

Very little is wrong with healthcare. You find a place to work that has insurance and you work there. Or start a business and pay for your own. Although if we stopped giving it away to people who are in the country illegally it would certainly be less expensive.

I have diabetes and high blood pressure. I am currently unemployed through no fault of my own. I am working hard to get a job, with no luck as of yet. So, I tried to get private health insurance. I went through well over a dozen private insurance firms, Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Anthem, Cigna, and others, most of them turned me down. The few that had an option gave me hyper-inflated rates.

The cheapest plan I could find was an 80/20, $50 GP copay, $100 Emergency Room, 30% Prescrip coverage, and all they wanted was a measly $575 a month, with the proviso that my rate could jump at any time, my policy could be cancelled at any time for any reason, and that there were things not covered under the insurance like brand name prescriptions. My medications cost me $500 a month, and 2 of them are brand name (no generic available). Very little wrong with that scenario?

J.
Sorry to hear you got let go John. My BIL just did as well. They're trying to get on Masshealth right now as Cobra is way too much for them. Masshealth is a free policy paid by tax dollars. And it's actually very good coverage.

Sounds like you need to run for office or get your politicians to offer something like that if you feel it's necessary.

My doctor will give me samples of Actos (diabetes) a few times a year to curb the cost of co-pays. I wonder if your's will. I would back some controls (hate to but would) on pricing from big pharma and pharmacies. But that's not going to happen as they are a big lobby group.
 
Since my question has been apparently skipped over by the flood of posts, I'll ask again.
For those of you who did this or that surgery or stayed in a hospital for a week and paid little to nothing, I ask who paid for it?

I mean doctors and surgeons don't work for free and neither do their machines and tools...

Just curious...

The Government does. We pay taxes for these sorts of things. Well worth it, and a comparable amount of taxes as you guys pay. But I get health care. :)

So you pay comparable taxes to me? Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? I don't see universal health care happening in the US without a lot of tax increases. eek.
 
Since my question has been apparently skipped over by the flood of posts, I'll ask again.
For those of you who did this or that surgery or stayed in a hospital for a week and paid little to nothing, I ask who paid for it?

I mean doctors and surgeons don't work for free and neither do their machines and tools...

Just curious...

The Government does. We pay taxes for these sorts of things. Well worth it, and a comparable amount of taxes as you guys pay. But I get health care. :)

So you pay comparable taxes to me? Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? I don't see universal health care happening in the US without a lot of tax increases. eek.

Agreed...
 
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