What hell is wrong with health care in the States!?!

[Rÿcher]

Oh ya, the majority of Americans voted for one

9 YEARS AGO!

 

[Alpha Romeo]

I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Go to your doctor's office and you'll see it. Clocks, pens, mouse pads, notepads, pen holders, foam stress relievers that you squeeze in your hand and everything else schwag-like that can be printed upon with a drug's name.

How much do you suppose drug companies invest to make these little gizmos and gadgets just to give to and sell their wares to the doctors?

They spend undoubtedly millions of dollars on these products and they just up and give them to doctors' offices just to promote their product.

If they didn't make these things, do you think the price of prescription drugs would go down? Do you think they'd be able to send that much many more malaria and TB drugs to third-world countries?

It also doesn't help that certain people don't pay for their medications when they are able to.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Heaven forbid there be liberals in the United States!



Oh ya, the majority of Americans voted for one

We prefer the term "Lefty," like "I'm a Lefty- get used to it."

 

[Trippy]

Heaven forbid there be liberals in the United States!



Oh ya, the majority of Americans voted for one

We prefer the term "Lefty," like "I'm a Lefty- get used to it."

That's a great line!

Ya, we call it lefty here too...I actually vote NDP which is pretty left of centre

But mainly we have liberals and conservatives...like democrats and republicans...

 

[Crusher Disciple]

I was so embarrassed by the fact that I'd forgotten he's one of us Southpaws.

 

[Rÿcher]

I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Go to your doctor's office and you'll see it. Clocks, pens, mouse pads, notepads, pen holders, foam stress relievers that you squeeze in your hand and everything else schwag-like that can be printed upon with a drug's name.

How much do you suppose drug companies invest to make these little gizmos and gadgets just to give to and sell their wares to the doctors?

They spend undoubtedly millions of dollars on these products and they just up and give them to doctors' offices just to promote their product.

If they didn't make these things, do you think the price of prescription drugs would go down? Do you think they'd be able to send that much many more malaria and TB drugs to third-world countries?

It also doesn't help that certain people don't pay for their medications when they are able to.

$790.25/month

eat me. We can't all live in Connecticut you *edited*

 

[Mallory]

$8,000 divided by $790.25 is over 10 months worth of paying for your own drugs instead of mooching off the taxpayers of Maine.

 

[Dayton3]

I haven't had health insurance in 7 years and I don't whine about it.

 

[thestrangequark]

^ It's not so rough so long as you don't have chronic health problems. Without insurance I'd be paying upwards of $800 a month on medications.

 

[Rÿcher]

how did this turn into the "shit on mike" thread. I'm entitled, I signed up, end of story.

Anyone here ever been homeless?

Hmm?

Threatened violence against them if they didn't stop coughing because of bronchitis while at a homeless shelter?

judge not lest ye be judged, mmkay?

 

[Captain Intrepid]

^ It's not so rough so long as you don't have chronic health problems.

Or a sudden major one.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Go to your doctor's office and you'll see it. Clocks, pens, mouse pads, notepads, pen holders, foam stress relievers that you squeeze in your hand and everything else schwag-like that can be printed upon with a drug's name.

How much do you suppose drug companies invest to make these little gizmos and gadgets just to give to and sell their wares to the doctors?

They spend undoubtedly millions of dollars on these products and they just up and give them to doctors' offices just to promote their product.

If they didn't make these things, do you think the price of prescription drugs would go down? Do you think they'd be able to send that much many more malaria and TB drugs to third-world countries?

QFT.

Big Pharma is evil. Perry Cox had a great scene about this in "Scrubs" but unfortunately I can't remember which episode (I just nicked this from IMDB):

[Dr. Cox, explaining why he dislikes Julie, the drug rep]
Dr. Cox: [whispering] Would you like to know the real dirty, dirty little secret? It's that your drug is so damn good that you guys went and put about a 600% markup on it.
[laughs]
Dr. Cox: But hey, the only ones get hurt are the sick people, right? And since your company *damn* sure doesn't care about them, and you're part of the system, well that just means you don't care either, and that's pretty much what's making me sick, that's all.

And I'm not saying this is right, or even logical, but a lot of people are afraid that their taxes are going to go up the wazooty if the US implements anything like a universal health care system. I think we need more people like Trippy to convince them otherwise.

 

[T'Baio]

I haven't had health insurance in 7 years and I don't whine about it.

Well, let's hope your daughter stays healthy, eh?

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Go to your doctor's office and you'll see it. Clocks, pens, mouse pads, notepads, pen holders, foam stress relievers that you squeeze in your hand and everything else schwag-like that can be printed upon with a drug's name.

How much do you suppose drug companies invest to make these little gizmos and gadgets just to give to and sell their wares to the doctors?

They spend undoubtedly millions of dollars on these products and they just up and give them to doctors' offices just to promote their product.

If they didn't make these things, do you think the price of prescription drugs would go down? Do you think they'd be able to send that much many more malaria and TB drugs to third-world countries?

It also doesn't help that certain people don't pay for their medications when they are able to.

$790.25/month

eat me. We can't all live in Connecticut you stuck-up fuck

Warning for flaming. Comments to PM.

 

[Rÿcher]

duly edited.

veiled or nigh, being called a mooch could be considered flaming too, IMO

 

[Amaris]

Very little is wrong with healthcare. You find a place to work that has insurance and you work there. Or start a business and pay for your own. Although if we stopped giving it away to people who are in the country illegally it would certainly be less expensive.

I have diabetes and high blood pressure. I am currently unemployed through no fault of my own. I am working hard to get a job, with no luck as of yet. So, I tried to get private health insurance. I went through well over a dozen private insurance firms, Aetna, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Anthem, Cigna, and others, most of them turned me down. The few that had an option gave me hyper-inflated rates.

The cheapest plan I could find was an 80/20, $50 GP copay, $100 Emergency Room, 30% Prescrip coverage, and all they wanted was a measly $575 a month, with the proviso that my rate could jump at any time, my policy could be cancelled at any time for any reason, and that there were things not covered under the insurance like brand name prescriptions. My medications cost me $500 a month, and 2 of them are brand name (no generic available). Very little wrong with that scenario?

J.

 

[TEH BABA]

cant get decent health insurance for adhd anxiety and depression. have to use drug assistent programs to get meds

 

[HobartFloyt]

That would cost me...NOTHING!

True dat my Canadian brotha

I'll pay my taxes...I've gotten more than my money's worth in health care. And no, we don't have long wait lines or sub standard care thank you very much...my mom was a cancer survivor (she died from complications from diabetes...had been cancer free for 10 years) and my dad is a cancer survivor (cancer free for 7 years) because they were caught early and effectively...and it didn't cost them or me as their child one red cent.

I love my country

Ah now, lets not tell fibs.

The fact of the matter is that you pay for it every day as it's cost is removed from your pay, and it's included in the prices of every good and service that you buy.

Free it ain't.

 

[Amaris]

That would cost me...NOTHING!

True dat my Canadian brotha

I'll pay my taxes...I've gotten more than my money's worth in health care. And no, we don't have long wait lines or sub standard care thank you very much...my mom was a cancer survivor (she died from complications from diabetes...had been cancer free for 10 years) and my dad is a cancer survivor (cancer free for 7 years) because they were caught early and effectively...and it didn't cost them or me as their child one red cent.

I love my country

Ah now, lets not tell fibs.

The fact of the matter is that you pay for it every day as it's cost is removed from your pay, and it's included in the prices of every good and service that you buy.

Free it ain't.

It doesn't sound like a fib to me. Sounds like she didn't have to pay $575 out of pocket for low rate insurance, and then $500 a month for medications. There's no way I'd be paying $1,075 a month in taxes, yet I would have full access to healthcare. So no, she didn't pay one red cent. Nice, eh?

J.

 

[TheBrew]

So people who are unable to work jobs with benefits don't deserve health care? Or should we require that all employers provide coverage for workers, both part-time and full-time?

Hey, slow down. I didn't know we required a 20 page detailed report with each post as to what should be covered and what not.

Many states have programs that cover low income/disability citizens. And in Mass the wonderfully caring Democrats force you to have healthcare or penalize you monetarily. I guess that makes it easier to buy it. You know, new math ... or something.

My point is that by not investing in a true universal health care system we are creating a society in which the worth of a person's life is directly tied to his income.
If you've ever had any experience with the feeble government aid offered to (some of) those with low incomes and disabilities you'd know that it's horrifyingly inadequate, inefficient, and unacceptable.

You're wasting your breathe. He doesn't care about anything... or anybody.