What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

[TREK_GOD_1]

hey bungled it up by keeping it connected to the Prime Universe so they could keep Leonard Nimoy around.

Yep, and like Generations before it, a ST production that's supposed to be its own thing could not stand on its own, so it dragged a well-loved character from its only classic end of the franchise to bolster the plot/audience interest.

And in STID they got a little too carried away with the TWOK knockoffs "homages."

STID was pure garbage. Unqualified hacks could not help sucking the blood from with the Khan essence / legacy, but its not alone, as Nemesis was the first to copy+paste TWOK, with its weightless death of Data, as if it would ever have the impact of Spock's death. Whoops.

 

[fireproof78]

But once we got into Klingon boy bands and super-soldier serum, people were like hold up a second.

I thought it was badass.

Looking for an edge in combat is about as surprising as technobabble in Trek.

 

[ananta]

STID was pure garbage. Unqualified hacks could not help sucking the blood from with the Khan essence / legacy, but its not alone, as Nemesis was the first to copy+paste TWOK, with its weightless death of Data, as if it would ever have the impact of Spock's death. Whoops.

Just a suggestion, but you should probably stick to criticising the work rather than the people who did the work. It’s kinder and makes for a more pleasant, less spiteful discussion.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Just a suggestion, but you should probably stick to criticising the work rather than the people who did the work. It’s kinder and makes for a more pleasant, less spiteful discussion.

Indeed. It was all over the last rant as well.

 

[Tenacity]

SNW tends to ignore DISCO when it can.

Just like the fans do.

 

[fireproof78]

Just like the fans do.

I like Discovery. Sometimes more than the SNW episode of the week.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Just like the fans do.

I crafted a reply in another thread about DSC.
Basically if they set it as a 25th century Trek then fans would have liked it from the beginning rather than colletively groaning about "another prequel??".
Now I wait for fireproof78's wrath (of Khan?)

 

[Dukhat]

I crafted a reply in another thread about DSC.
Basically if they set it as a 25th century Trek then fans would have liked it from the beginning rather than colletively groaning about "another prequel??".
Now I wait for fireproof78's wrath (of Khan?)

It didn’t need to be set in the 25th century. Setting it there wouldn’t have solved the show’s fundamental problems like how the Klingons looked radically different from how they’ve looked for the last 50+ years. All they needed to do was to admit the show was a reboot.

 

[StarTrek1701]

It didn’t need to be set in the 25th century. Setting it there wouldn’t have solved the show’s fundamental problems like how the Klingons looked radically different from how they’ve looked for the last 50+ years. All they needed to do was to admit the show was a reboot.

"Another sect of hidden Klingons from deep in the beta Quadrant and they intermixed with the Hur'q and now trying to reclaim the Klingon homeworld" or something like that lol.
But yeah you're right about that part, I was just generalizing.

 

[Dukhat]

"Another sect of hidden Klingons from deep in the beta Quadrant and they intermixed with the Hur'q and now trying to reclaim the Klingon homeworld" or something like that lol.
But yeah you're right about that part, I was just generalizing.

'Who the hell are the Herk?" (asks every viewer who never saw that one episode of Deep Space Nine broadcast almost 30 years ago.)

 

[cooleddie74]

The Hur'q do get a second name drop in "Affliiction(ENT)," when Dr. Antaak tells Phlox that the new Augment Virus is the biggest threat to the Klingon Empire since the Hur'q invasion.

 

[StarTrek1701]

'Who the hell are the Herk?" (asks every viewer who never saw that one episode of Deep Space Nine broadcast almost 30 years ago.)

Ehh same could be said about any species really when new people enter Trek fandom.

 

[Dukhat]

Ehh same could be said about any species really when new people enter Trek fandom.

But it's a lame explanation. (No offense.)

 

[StarTrek1701]

But it's a lame explanation. (No offense.)

None taken Bruv! I was just saying how I'd do it IF I had to do it with those constraints.

 

[The Wormhole]

'Who the hell are the Herk?" (asks every viewer who never saw that one episode of Deep Space Nine broadcast almost 30 years ago.)

That argument might carry weight if we weren't living in an era where one-off aliens from thirty years ago were being brought back as main characters in a show's cast, like the Barzan or Kellerun.

Seriously, even I had to look up who the Kellerun were. That's saying something.

 

[fireproof78]

I crafted a reply in another thread about DSC.
Basically if they set it as a 25th century Trek then fans would have liked it from the beginning rather than colletively groaning about "another prequel??".
Now I wait for fireproof78's wrath (of Khan?)

I agree. I think someone else made a similar point and detailed out how it could work as a story and I'm all in

I think they even had a suggestion of Burnham being Tuvok's adopted daughter if the Vulcan and legacy connection was still desired.

I would probably still redo the uniforms.

Yeah..25th century setting takes away the nitpicking power.

 

[Shawnster]

Yeah..25th century setting takes away the nitpicking power.

And the 31st century provides a clean slate in regards the holy canon. Anything could have been done.

 

[Dukhat]

That argument might carry weight if we weren't living in an era where one-off aliens from thirty years ago were being brought back as main characters in a show's cast, like the Barzan or Kellerun.

Seriously, even I had to look up who the Kellerun were. That's saying something.

It still comes off as lame that someone would have to use 'Klingon-Hurq hybrid' to describe the silly orcs we saw in DSC season 1.

Yeah..25th century setting takes away the nitpicking power.

And the 31st century provides a clean slate in regards the holy canon. Anything could have been done.

And calling the show a reboot is the best of both worlds.

 

[fireproof78]

And calling the show a reboot is the best of both worlds.

Any time the powers that be want to call a reboot I'm game.

I'm down for reboots of many different properties. There is not a one size fits all for Trek, or Star Wars or anything else. It's ok to reboot/rewrite/recreate something. That's the nature of creativity. It invites new minds in to look at something and go "What if?"

Shared history and lore are great and all but they are not the only thing that defines Star Trek. I did not watch DS9 because TNG, or Voyager because DS9. The connections are frosting.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Just watch the Orville if you want a reboot. There's no need to screw around with the one thing Star Trek has that no other science fiction series can ever ever have: Star Trek's ongoing universe.