Nor sure what one would fear from a fictional franchise.
What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?
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I used to have fond memories of The Simpsons, now it's been so thoroughly spoiled I don't even rewatch the old episodes anymore. I fear disliking something that used to make me smile.
DC Comics have always hit the randomiser button on their characters and their history every few years, every time they need a big new event to grab people's attention, and it's left that universe a confusing mess. I fear that you can't wipe away a story's past, and a reset actually complicates things instead of simplifying them. Permanently.
Original Battlestar Galactica fans used to have hope that their series would get some kind of continuation, but the 2004 show pretty much killed that hope dead. No more classic BSG for them. I fear missing out on stories because doors have been closed forever.
Fortunately BSG '04 was a really good proper reboot! A shining example of how throwing out the continuity and starting fresh can really work. Other good TV reboots (that aren't new comic adaptations) include: I dunno, was Lost in Space any good? Quantum Leap doesn't count, that was a sequel. You know, I can't actually think of any other good reboots. I fear that a true reimagining, unrestrained by attempts to make it connect to the other shows, would be terrible.
Sherlock Holmes through various movies, plus shows like Sherlock and Elementary.
Maybe not too many TV shows, you’re right.
Technically speaking, the MCU as a whole is a successful reboot.
Then Burton’s Batman, Nolan’s Batman and now the Reeves Batman.
Seems to be more common in movies.
Yeah, it seems like the most successful reboots and reimaginings are from franchises that made the jump from another type of media. DC's Henry Cavill/Ben Affleck/Gal Gadot cinematic universe ending and getting replaced with the DC Gunniverse just feels expected, it's how comic book movies work, and there are plenty of new stories to draw from as the comics have been continuing alongside the films.
Aside from BSG, I’m really struggling to think of another.
I have never watched the new Lost in Space but it ran a few seasons and… sorry, but it can’t be worse than the original?
Can it?
Google tells me the rebooted Hawaii 5-0 ran for ten (!) seasons.
But yeah, these things tend to tank and die. New versions of things like V, Dynasty, Dallas, Quantum Leap… all tanked.
Would you count U.S. versions of British shows?
If so, the U.S. version of THE OFFICE far exceeded the British one.
Kind of. It’s a ‘reboot’ which uses the same characters or at least similar characters.
I don’t know if I’d say ‘exceeded’ in terms of quality, but that will always be up for debate. Honestly, I’ve never watched it. The US version certainly exceeded the original in terms of minutes produced though and IIRC, is well liked.
Sanford and Son would be another, being based on the BBC’s Steptoe and Son, plus All In The Family being loosely based on ‘Till Death Do Us Part.
But then the two I just mentioned are more like ‘loosely based on’ as opposed to being reboots I guess? And as far as I understand, the US office is the same kind of thing?
If you expand this to movies, John Carpenter's The Thing and David Cronenberg's The Fly are usually the gold standards for reboots/re-imaginings of old material that are considered better than the original.
However, both go in their own directions separate from the originals, use the basic elements of the original story, but make those elements their own and create something new and different that's not connected to the original material.
The counter-example that would be more similar to Discovery and Strange New Worlds would be Ridley Scott's Prometheus. Where it attempts to wedge itself into the past of Alien as a prequel, and the reaction to it was very mixed at best.
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Well .. I would like to say I follow that but I don't.
The stories I grew up with, be it BSG, BATMAN or Trek are not diminished by new stories. I've enjoyed many different reboots, including The Invisible Man, Wizard of Oz, Lord of the Rings, various tellings of Sherlock Holmes.
Never mind the various redos of Disney films.
If Trek is good a reboot will not diminish it.
It was very good IMO.
Yeah, I read as much earlier. TBH I wasn’t fond enough of the original to give it a look in, but given the way our tastes tend to align… well, it must be worth a punt!
If you don't like it then I will probably have to figure out a way to put your names on the Charlie Brown and Lucy football gif.
You’re also a fan?
I think the last time I watched anything related to Lost in Space was the Matt LeBlanc movie at the cinema when it came out.
Which I liked.
At the time.
*ducks*
I still like it. The Matt LeBlanc version was the definitive Lost in Space for me.
I have not watched it yet.
I personally really enjoyed the Matt LeBlanc one and felt I got better as I aged. Initially I thought it was kind of silly but that grew on me.
The new Lost In Space is great. If we're counting successive adaptations, the new A Series Of Unfortunate Events got through every book, unlike the movie that never got any sequels. But Trek is so long-running it would be very hard for a reboot to exceed the original continuity, so I don't think it would be a good idea.
If I recall, the write-up on the theory that I read pointed out that the character in The Rock was Bond's cover identity that he was arrested under, so the rank issues didn't matter. He was captured while on a mission, and left to rot. If I ever find said write up / video essay again, I will attempt to link it somewhere here. It was very convincing, but granted, I only know Bond from pop culture. (Although, you coudln't tell from how many times I've engaged with the Mandela Effect morons and their insistence on Dolly's Braces, but i digress.)
It doesn't have to exceed it, it just has to be interesting.
I agree, and in fact think this has already happened, and just want confirmation so we can all stop complaining. I'm fine with it all, just stop trying to gaslight me that its the same. Prime Universe, different events post FC. Its logical, it makes sense, it explains everything, and I am OKAY WITH THAT! Just come out and admit it already.
Thats my current mindset anyways.
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