What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?
- Thread starter Ray Hardgrit
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Paramount will probably troll fans and replace it with the SNW Enterprise. 
I will burn you and all you stand for.
Nah, I love that design. I just wouldn't use it in a Remaster of TNG.
Nah, I love that design. I just wouldn't use it in a Remaster of TNG.
Of course not, that would be stupid. I LOVE the TOS Enterprise and would never want it replaced from any existing scenes. I just understand that BOTH designs can be the same ship.Nah, I love that design. I just wouldn't use it in a Remaster of TNG.
Are the characters being affected by basic laws of physics like gravity? - Check!
Do the actors all have their makeup and pants on? - Check!
Does the fabricated reality of the fictional universe align with how it was presented in the past? - Check!
Fun can now commence.
Edit: I understand that pants aren't required in literally every scene I was just making a point.
Now do the KelvinpriseFTFU
THE SCREEN'S NOT BIG ENOUGH.
I think the only way to avoid all problems with canon, context and constancy would have been to make just one series from the beginnings in the 60s until today.
Somehow an interesting idea I think but quite unrealistic.
So we have to allow some inconstancy.
The keystones are still there.
Somehow an interesting idea I think but quite unrealistic.
So we have to allow some inconstancy.
The keystones are still there.
Picard Season 3 had a ton of nostalgia. But the difference was ....they are the same actors and it's continuing the Berman universe. I personally think two prequel series were a bad idea. I wish they had moved Trek Forward instead of back and then they go 900 years into the future.
That was not the way forward I would have chosen. But as I said before there was some stuff to like in Discovery. Sadly it looks like Kurtzman is not going to get off this turbolift coaster anytime soon. . He's only digging his heels in further. Now they are going to stick the Doctor from Voyager into Academy... 
Exactly. This is art not history.
The key components are there while committing the number one rule of Trek.
Another reason why physical media is important... especially if AI takes off to the point TOS can be "corrected" for the modern audience.Paramount will probably troll fans and replace it with the SNW Enterprise.
Arguably that goes both ways. I'm guessing at some point someone will deepfake Leonard Nimoy, Jeffrey Hunter, Nichelle Nichols, etc. and the TOS Enterprise over the top of Strange New Worlds.
But it's art that has it's own history . In that regards it should be respected on some level. There will be errors, there will be the occasional retcon but a complete rewrite which is basically happening right now was not necessary. At this point there are only key elements as you call them in the show....Enterprise, Pike, Every TOS character almost and yellow, blue and red shirts.
To me, it's changing things that honestly don't need to be changed to have a dramatic impact.
The people in charge seem to take the view that depicting the TOS era needed modern sensibilities to work. And that ranged from a total reworking of the visuals when Discovery started (e.g., Star Wars-like holograms, complete redesign of the Klingons to make them more "alien," etc.) into a more subtle facelift with Strange New Worlds that's basically within the ballpark of TOS, but still takes some broad shifts at points, like with the Gorn.
And the word for a lot of it I would use is "unnecessary." We're watching Star Trek. People wouldn't watch it or give it a chance if they weren't already inclined to buy in a little bit to the idea of a six-decade old media franchise. So do I think they get one more viewer than they would have by giving the Pike's Enterprise swept back pylons instead of straight ones? No. Do I think they get more viewers by putting Khan in 2020s Toronto instead of letting him just be a 1990s dictator? No.
But you know what you do get when the fans of the IP's history feel it's respected? EXCITEMENT!
What is the biggest movie of the summer? Deadpool & Wolverine. What is one of the biggest things fans of that movie love? They put Wolverine in his damn yellow suit that for years the people in charge of the X-Men movies thought was ridiculous for the X-Men. And, arguably, one of the biggest moments in that movie involves something that some dipshit executive at Fox for over 20 years thought wouldn't work on film working amazingly with the audience.
I think Star Trek sometimes is like that Fox executive and doesn't trust its audience to appreciate those kind of moments, and as long as the stories are strong people will go with it and love that people put in so much work to make it look the way it was. Instead, they put out all these alterations and the changes become distractions. They become the things people talk about instead of the stories.
Define respect.
I get so tired of being told this. I love a reference as much as the next fan but what gets my excitement up! Stories and characters!
Sorry, but I'm tired of being told the only thing that matters is the history. It's frustrating because some how history means more than the characters. At least, that's the impression I get from the constant haranguing over it and the supposed ruination of the franchise because it isn't built like the 60s, 80s or 2000s any more.
I don't feel respected if the character isn't there. I felt winked at and cheap.
Pfffsh, the filmed pilot went off the rails. The One And Only True Star Trek® is about the S.S. Yorktown (none of that "USS" stuff, thankyouverymuch) with the "skipper" Captain Robert M. April and the "probably half Martian" Mr. Spock with the Satanic face and reddish complexion. The best episodes by far were "A Question of Cannibalism" and "To Skin a Tyrannosaurus."
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So this is before the timeline rewrite that rebooted Pike as the Captain back in the early 60s, then. Cool.
"Stories and characters are rubbish, I only care about producers taking care to get the details right" <--- something that literally no one has ever said.
I thought I was the only one freaking out abuot the hotel rooms and the borders. It was so incredibly unbelievable. Fast travel all over the place, too. But, it was also.... the opposite of breaking point.
It was the moment that I felt vindication for my long-held belief that all of Nu-Trek is in a rewritten, post TOS timeline. First Contact, Enterprise, Temporal Cold War, Regeneration, and now T&T&T..... gives many, many reasons for multiple iterations of the timeline, thus fixing every error DSC and SNW, and even ENT have created.
It broke the illusion, but cemented the reboot, which is enough for me to stop complaining.
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