What Has Discovery Added To Star Trek Lore?

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Not to drag out and extend this intercourse but,
While engaged in my nightly grind at the hospital through the years, I have on many an occasion, observed fellows with unique phallus problems that have often times included two spurting streams.
Though it almost always involved some sort of disfigurement or birth defect rather than two distinct schlongs.

As I said, two streams simply means two pee-holes -- not necessarily two penises.
And who's to say that a male Klingon urinates from his penis anyway?

EDIT TO ADD: And although this subject has us all snickering like middle-schoolers (and rightfully so), my statement/question is serious.

 

[DigificWriter]

As far as season 1 goes... In terms of money and entertainment, perhaps some people are amused by all the action and visuals and the show will be successful because of that. But from an in-story point of view it's not the show of optimism and positive role-models that previous generations grew up with when watching star trek.

I disagree, and there are plenty of other peoole who do as well.

But this comment isn't really relevant to the topic at hand.

 

[marsh8472]

I think you need to re-read the thread title, it's talking about Lore.

I think you need to re-read the post. It also asked about whether it is positive/negative cheapen/weakened star trek. There's the answer.

 

[fireproof78]

As far as season 1 goes... In terms of money and entertainment, perhaps some people are amused by all the action and visuals and the show will be successful because of that. But from an in-story point of view it's not the show of optimism and positive role-models that previous generations grew up with when watching star trek.

New generations, and change in the times. I do not need Trek to remain mired in the past conventions when it can be used as a vehicle to speak to contemporary issues.

Also, respectfully, I heartily disagree that it misses out on optimism, when we have Burnham go from a shoot first mentality to a more measured one regarding Klingons. It's the same idea that Trek has gone through before, and will do again.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Discovery established that when humans die, their souls ascend to the Mycellial plane where they continue to exist and can communicate with the living.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Discovery established that when humans die, their souls ascend to the Mycellial plane where they continue to exist and can communicate with the living.

Or maybe only in certain specific situations.

That would be very Trek-like --- i.e., that certain conditions happen to be "just so" for fantastic situations to occur, such as a consciousness being retained somewhere outside a body.

 

[fireproof78]

Discovery established that when humans die, their souls ascend to the Mycellial plane where they continue to exist and can communicate with the living.

So, yet another example of "evolving to a higher plane of existence" which has been replete throughout Trek? I see no issue here, thus far, that cannot be resolved with the resolution of the spore drive.

If that isn't resolve then I'll revisit the issue.

 

[Kane_Steel]

The fact that Discovery has the drive is not really public knowledge.

If it was classified, they've been doing a terrible job trying to keep it a secret, lol.

Not even similar

The magic mycelial network connects all things, all life, in all realities and universes. It's ludicrous enough to be similar.

Discovery established that when humans die, their souls ascend to the Mycellial plane where they continue to exist and can communicate with the living.

The fooorce.

^ Yes! I can't believe I forgot the first same sex relationship shown on-screen in any Trek TV series. That is a great addition to the lore.

So edgy. Great contribution Discovery...

This was one of my favourite Discovery additions. Given the established lore of Vulcans post Journey to Babel and Sarek's canonically established love for humans and for Spock himself, him being angry about Spock joining Starfleet for its own sake never made a lot of sense and seemed merely petty. Discovery has made it more poignant.

It always came across that Sarek expected Spock to live his life as a traditional vulcan, despite being half-human. That's why wanting Spock to join the Vulcan Science Academy made sense. The Burnham stuff added in was unnecessary, almost as unnecessary as everything Rogue One did. Enough was established on the Spock/Sarek dynamic in TOS.

How about dialing back the snark if you really want folks to join in your discussion

Hard to enjoy this silly show without some snark at least.

 

[Amaris]

So edgy. Great contribution Discovery...

Who said anything about edgy? A same sex couple should be the opposite of edgy. It should be a mundane, every day fact of life in the Trek universe. Now it is.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's ludicrous enough to be similar.

The fooorce.

Nothing alike.

So edgy. Great contribution Discovery...

That's not edgy at all? What do you have against it?

Hard to enjoy this silly show without some snark at least.

Most of us here are doing it fine.

It always came across that Sarek expected Spock to live his life as a traditional vulcan, despite being half-human. That's why wanting Spock to join the Vulcan Science Academy made sense.

It still comes across like that, since he chose Spock.

 

[Kane_Steel]

It didn't, and they're not.

Section 31 wearing black badges to identify themselves in public... lol, so covert.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

So, yet another example of "evolving to a higher plane of existence" which has been replete throughout Trek? I see no issue here, thus far, that cannot be resolved with the resolution of the spore drive.

If that isn't resolve then I'll revisit the issue.

Maybe evolving to a higher plane, or just somehow having Culbers' consciousness end up somehow in the mycelial network (if that is in fact where he is/from where he will be retrieved).

My comment was more about how we don't know if humans consciousness ends up in the mycelial network when we die as a matter of course. It may only be Culber who is there, and that may be due to some specific circumstance surround his death and the Discovery. It wouldn't be the first time in Star Trek that by some lucky chance and against the odds that there was some "perfect storm" of events that resulted in something really weird happening, such as a consciousness ending up in some odd place.

Seriously...if it ends up that through some strange series of events that Culber's consciousness transferred to the mycelial network upon his death, and they find some way to extricate his consciousness and somehow have his body for re-introducing that consciousness, that would be not be a totally "non-Star Trekky" thing to have happen.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Section 31 wearing black badges to identify themselves in public... lol, so covert.

That depends on how covert section 31 was during the DSC era. Maybe it became a little less shadowy (relatively speaking) by that time, but eventually managed to hide itself in the shadows again by the time DS9 rolled around.

Maybe that is MU Georgiou's contribution -- returning Section 31 back to its glory as a super-secret-squirrel organization.

 

[zar]

I think you need to re-read the post. It also asked about whether it is positive/negative cheapen/weakened star trek. There's the answer.

But still in the context of lore, i.e. have the additions to lore been positive or negative. You're answering a different question.

So, yet another example of "evolving to a higher plane of existence" which has been replete throughout Trek? I see no issue here, thus far, that cannot be resolved with the resolution of the spore drive.

If that isn't resolve then I'll revisit the issue.

Yeah. Ever since the Culber episode I've decided that the nexus from Generations is the remnant of the mycelial network, and I'm sticking to it until proven otherwise.

 

[fireproof78]

It always came across that Sarek expected Spock to live his life as a traditional vulcan, despite being half-human. That's why wanting Spock to join the Vulcan Science Academy made sense. The Burnham stuff added in was unnecessary, almost as unnecessary as everything Rogue One did. Enough was established on the Spock/Sarek dynamic in TOS.

"Came across' implies audience interpretation vs. actually being shown on screen.

If there was enough of Sarek and Spock in TOS, why revisit it in the films and TNG?

 

[Kane_Steel]

If there was enough of Sarek and Spock in TOS, why revisit it in the films and TNG?

They didn't go back and mess with anything from Journey to Babel. The movies just showed Sarek's reaction to Spock's death, and TNG showed Spock's reaction to Sarek's death. Wasn't any 'bending' of canon as the STD writers often love to put it.

"Came across' implies audience interpretation vs. actually being shown on screen.

I'm not a fan of things always having to be explicitly told to us onscreen, explains my aversion to STD. But there was enough in "Journey to Babel" to explain the relationship between Sarek and Spock. No one questioned it for 50 years. It wasn't like STD tried to address some glaring plot hole. Burnham was just an unnecessary addition. Seems like even your overlord SFDebris agrees.

That depends on how covert section 31 was during the DSC era. Maybe it became a little less shadowy (relatively speaking) by that time, but eventually managed to hide itself in the shadows again by the time DS9 rolled around.

Maybe that is MU Georgiou's contribution -- returning Section 31 back to its glory as a super-secret-squirrel organization.

Gotta love those mental gymnastics.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Gotta love those mental gymnastics.

Well-developed from decades of Trek-watching.

 

[fireproof78]

They didn't go back and mess with anything from Journey to Babel. The movies just showed Sarek's reaction to Spock's death, and TNG showed Spock's reaction to Sarek's death. Wasn't any 'bending' of canon as the STD writers often love to put it.

I don't think DSC "messed with it" either. If anything, it showcased even more of Sarek's psyche and his reaction to Spock's choice.

I'm not a fan of things always having to be explicitly told to us onscreen, explains my aversion to STD. But there was enough in "Journey to Babel" to explain the relationship between Sarek and Spock. No one questioned it for 50 years. It wasn't like STD tried to address some glaring plot hole. Burnham was just an unnecessary addition. Seems like even your overlord SFDebris agrees

Nothing is "necessary" as far as Star Trek goes. So, that argument is rather moot.

I just see it as adding to the lore, and thus, answering your OP

As for SFDebris, well, it's his opinion after all.

 

[Amaris]

Section 31 wearing black badges to identify themselves in public... lol, so covert.

 

[Greg Cox]

Talking about eating the heart of an enemy once or twice (Jadzia was "squeamish" about eating the heart of an enemy in Image In The Sand) is a ways from actually doing it. The Klingons are as much talk as they are action. Then to go even further and eat your entire enemy? It's not out of the blue, but definitely adds to the Klingon lore.

Um, that was a Donner party situation where the Klingons were starving to death. At no point, was this established as a common Klingon custom.

Humans can and would do the same thing under the circumstances. Did the Donner Party or the Andes survivors violate "canon" by having humans eat corpses? Did those incidents mean that humans routinely eat corpses all the time? Of course not.

Anyway, I see that this isn't actually a thread about talking about what interesting new details DISCO may have added to the Star Trek universe. Too bad. That would have been more interesting than just another sarcastic list of grievances.

To try to answer the question for real, I think the Kelpians are a notable addition to the Trek universe, and I'm hoping DISCO will keeping on adding news species and worlds, to go along with the Andorians and Cardassians and Trills and so on.