it's amusing the Klingons managed to hide a massive ship like the Narada for 25 years,
Spoilers what happened to the kelvin shuttle?
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I guess because the order was evasive maneuvers, not "Get us the hell out of here".
Why do you think Praxis was exploded.
Sorry, I disagree. Kirk's line makes it very clear the Narada destroyed the 47 Klingon vessels. Uhura's line makes it very clear it was a Klingon prison planet. Twisting backward to say that there's no implication Nero et al. was in prison is disingenuous.
It was in Klingon space. Not hidden. Just not accessible to anyone from the Federation.
We can disagree all day on how much should be assumed from the finished film, but I'd prefer you don't claim that I'm being dishonest about my stance. You yourself mentioned them attacking the planet for unknown reasons as a possible event, so please don't pretend I'm grasping at something impossible.
Well, they couldn't be bothered or maybe they wanted it in there and thought "Hmmm, the audience is smart and they can work with it."
Uhura's prison planet comment caught my ear and I figured that and the Klingon losses meant Nero did something to them with their territory.
If the deleted material was supposed to be inferred by the viewer despite being deleted, I have to wonder why they surgically removed several sections of dialogue that specifically refer to it.
Here's the film dialogue, with the deleted material in bold. (Some of the deleted material here isn't related to the prison deletions, it was in service of other deleted material, re: how Kirk uses an unwitting Gaila to cheat the test.)
Gaila "How are you?"
Uhura "Good. The strangest thing. I was in the long-range sensor lab..."
Gaila "Yeah... I thought all night."
Uhura "I was supposed to be. I was tracking solar systems and then I picked up an emergency transmission."
Gaila "Really?"
Uhura "Yeah, from a Klingon prison planet."
Gaila "No?"
Uhura "There was an escape. A prisoner got away and stole a ship." (This line was substituted in the final cut with some pretty obvious ADR: "Yeah. A Klingon armada was destroyed. Forty-seven ships.)
Gaila "So, you're not going back to the lab tonight?"
Uhura "Gaila, who is he?"
Gaila "Who's who?"
Uhura "The mouth-breather hiding under your bed."
Kirk "You could hear me breathing?"
Uhura "You!"
Kirk "Big day tomorrow."
Uhura "You're gonna fail."
Kirk (To Gaila) "Three o'clock."
Uhura "Get out."
Kirk "Gaila loves me." (This line and the previous Kirk line was subbed in with another obvious ADR line, "Gaila, see you around." in the finished edit.)
Kirk "If I pass, will you tell me your first name?"
Uhura "No. Goodnight."
Kirk "I think the fact that you picked up a transmission of a Klingon prison escape is very interesting."
Here's the film dialogue, with the deleted material in bold. (Some of the deleted material here isn't related to the prison deletions, it was in service of other deleted material, re: how Kirk uses an unwitting Gaila to cheat the test.)
Gaila "How are you?"
Uhura "Good. The strangest thing. I was in the long-range sensor lab..."
Gaila "Yeah... I thought all night."
Uhura "I was supposed to be. I was tracking solar systems and then I picked up an emergency transmission."
Gaila "Really?"
Uhura "Yeah, from a Klingon prison planet."
Gaila "No?"
Uhura "There was an escape. A prisoner got away and stole a ship." (This line was substituted in the final cut with some pretty obvious ADR: "Yeah. A Klingon armada was destroyed. Forty-seven ships.)
Gaila "So, you're not going back to the lab tonight?"
Uhura "Gaila, who is he?"
Gaila "Who's who?"
Uhura "The mouth-breather hiding under your bed."
Kirk "You could hear me breathing?"
Uhura "You!"
Kirk "Big day tomorrow."
Uhura "You're gonna fail."
Kirk (To Gaila) "Three o'clock."
Uhura "Get out."
Kirk "Gaila loves me." (This line and the previous Kirk line was subbed in with another obvious ADR line, "Gaila, see you around." in the finished edit.)
Kirk "If I pass, will you tell me your first name?"
Uhura "No. Goodnight."
Kirk "I think the fact that you picked up a transmission of a Klingon prison escape is very interesting."
They left it ambiguous enough you could say he was in prison (like the Nero comic series) or that he was just chilling and wrecked some Klingons on the way to Spock.
Trekkies don't do well with ambiguity though
Trekkies don't do well with ambiguity though
I can see why originally they thought they needed to explain where Nero was for twenty-five years, but the prisoner planet idea wasn't great for a number of reasons. These include: why would Nero willingly let himself be imprisoned for years if he apparently could escape at any time? Why would Narada still be at the prison planet and not towed away to Qo'noS for study and reverse engineering? Wouldn't the Klingons have a giant jump in technology with a starship from the future?They left it ambiguous enough you could say he was in prison (like the Nero comic series) or that he was just chilling and wrecked some Klingons on the way to Spock.
Trekkies don't do well with ambiguity though
I think it was originally conceived because the production probably felt they needed some Klingons to make it more Star Trekky, but ultimately they were just crammed in as yet another Easter Egg. Including them raised more issues than it solved so it's better they were dropped and we are left to think that Nero just fumed for decades in deep space waiting for Spock.
I always felt it would have made more sense if when Kelvin rammed Narada, it just fell back into the red matter black hole and then reemerged 25 years later.
The way I watched it originally it seemed to me after the first time travel Nero was just flying around in circles for 30 years waiting til Old Spock showed up, and then busted up some Klingon fleet that got in his way.
I always liked the idea that the black holes Nero created during the film also made or led to alternate universes and over a hundred years in the past or something, and in one timeline they got a messed up planet pouring out one day, and in another they got part of the Narada somewhere in the solar system. And maybe a certain shuttle came flying out of the black hole intact. So maybe in the early 22nd century Earth find's Robau's shuttle and take it for a joyride.
I always liked the idea that the black holes Nero created during the film also made or led to alternate universes and over a hundred years in the past or something, and in one timeline they got a messed up planet pouring out one day, and in another they got part of the Narada somewhere in the solar system. And maybe a certain shuttle came flying out of the black hole intact. So maybe in the early 22nd century Earth find's Robau's shuttle and take it for a joyride.
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