What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy)"?

[Campe]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Yup.

He's Jake on Disqus. He's even more of a fucking moron over there.

And by fucking moron, I mean an apparent 65-year old insider who claims to have been fired from Paramount's legal staff as an attorney following the "epic failure" of Star Trek Into Darkness and now works for Universal. But CBS is producing a series, according to Jake. Yup, it's going to be announced in October now. (For those of you playing at home, it was going to be December 30th, 2014, January 1st, 2015, January 31st, End of Q1, whenever "the Bad Robot mess got cleaned up" and now October.) And one day Star Trek 3 was 99% surely to be cancelled and two days later Paramount and Bad Robot were "arbitrating" the budget.

I don't think arbitration is the right word there.

Have fun!

What in the world did I just read?

I've been asking myself that question a lot since I came across these people in December.

To put it very simply: there is a small group of fans who hate the reboots. Claiming to have inside information on the downfall of Bad Robot's Trek movies, and the return of the prime timeline, they post on Facebook and other sites this information. They post articles and bend the truth about what these articles really say and make other outlandish claims with nothing to back them up. They believe anyone who doesn't agree with them are Bad Robot employees planted to try to discredit "the truth."

In other words, they are overzealous fanboys who make the rest of us look terrible.

 

[martok2112]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

He's Jake on Disqus. He's even more of a fucking moron over there.

And by fucking moron, I mean an apparent 65-year old insider who claims to have been fired from Paramount's legal staff as an attorney following the "epic failure" of Star Trek Into Darkness and now works for Universal. But CBS is producing a series, according to Jake. Yup, it's going to be announced in October now. (For those of you playing at home, it was going to be December 30th, 2014, January 1st, 2015, January 31st, End of Q1, whenever "the Bad Robot mess got cleaned up" and now October.) And one day Star Trek 3 was 99% surely to be cancelled and two days later Paramount and Bad Robot were "arbitrating" the budget.

I don't think arbitration is the right word there.

Have fun!

What in the world did I just read?

I've been asking myself that question a lot since I came across these people in December.

To put it very simply: there is a small group of fans who hate the reboots. Claiming to have inside information on the downfall of Bad Robot's Trek movies, and the return of the prime timeline, they post on Facebook and other sites this information. They post articles and bend the truth about what these articles really say and make other outlandish claims with nothing to back them up. They believe anyone who doesn't agree with them are Bad Robot employees planted to try to discredit "the truth."

In other words, they are overzealous fanboys who make the rest of us look terrible.

There was a very similar problem with Battlestar Galactica fandom.

There was one guy (cannot remember his real or online name) who had extremist conspiracy theories about the production of the new Galactica show, and Ron Moore in general, and how they planned to completely supplant the old show. This guy was giving even hardcore old school Galactica fans a bad name. They quickly turned their backs on him. But yeah, this guy was as much a douche as this "Fred Archer/Jake" seems to be.

Such folk seem to have this misguided notion (that pretty much lay within insanity) that somehow, someway, TPTB are going to listen them and their manifestos, conspiracy theories, and out and out cries of anquish and childhood rape, and cave and bring back whatever it was they thought they loved.

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

 

[Karzak]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

There was one guy (cannot remember his real or online name) who had extremist conspiracy theories about the production of the new Galactica show, and Ron Moore in general, and how they planned to completely supplant the old show. This guy was giving even hardcore old school Galactica fans a bad name. They quickly turned their backs on him. But yeah, this guy was as much a douche as this "Fred Archer/Jake" seems to be.

This guy? The one who kept prattling on about how it was "Galactica In Name Only" ? That asshole even wrote a (self-published, mind you) e-book on Amazon all about it.

Look, kids! For the low low price of $7.95 (originally $20.00) you can get a paperback full of this moron's idiocy: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1456493604?ref_=cm_cr-mr-title

 

[Campe]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

At the end of the day, I think people are well within their rights to like or not like something. I really could care less. Hell, there's things about nuTrek I don't like. There's things about every Trek I don't like. I think Trek 3 may be a mitigated disaster. But I'll see it. No, the lies, the misinformation and the pure bullshittery are what really gets me going. And it's gotten me into trouble with these twerps a few times.

And I'm still waiting for my phat JJ plant check.

 

[martok2112]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

There was one guy (cannot remember his real or online name) who had extremist conspiracy theories about the production of the new Galactica show, and Ron Moore in general, and how they planned to completely supplant the old show. This guy was giving even hardcore old school Galactica fans a bad name. They quickly turned their backs on him. But yeah, this guy was as much a douche as this "Fred Archer/Jake" seems to be.

This guy? The one who kept prattling on about how it was "Galactica In Name Only" ? That asshole even wrote a (self-published, mind you) e-book on Amazon all about it.

Look, kids! For the low low price of $7.95 (originally $20.00) you can get a paperback full of this moron's idiocy: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1456493604?ref_=cm_cr-mr-title

That be the guy!

 

[martok2112]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

At the end of the day, I think people are well within their rights to like or not like something. I really could care less. Hell, there's things about nuTrek I don't like. There's things about every Trek I don't like. I think Trek 3 may be a mitigated disaster. But I'll see it. No, the lies, the misinformation and the pure bullshittery are what really gets me going. And it's gotten me into trouble with these twerps a few times.

And I'm still waiting for my phat JJ plant check.

Exactly. Like it? Don't like it? That's up to the individual, and that's great.

But when deluded haters start preaching about why it is wrong/blasphemous to like something that doesn't fit
their ideal of what a given property should be....yeah. That's where one just has to wonder...."How do they make it in life?" Because it seems like they don't worry about the important things in life. They rant and rant about why their favorite show got the childhood rape treatment, and all the conspiracy behind it, and one has to wonder: "These people actually vote?"

Oh, and Bad Robot's looking into that for ya'.

 

[BillJ]

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Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

I'd say that being a member of the Trek BBS makes you part of Trek fandom.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

I'd say that being a member of the Trek BBS makes you part of Trek fandom.

And no you can't quit the fandom now that you are in.

We're like the Hotel California that way.

 

[Karzak]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

I really could care less.

So... why don't you? Care less, I mean.

 

[martok2112]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

I'd say that being a member of the Trek BBS makes you part of Trek fandom.

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

I'd say that being a member of the Trek BBS makes you part of Trek fandom.

And no you can't quit the fandom now that you are in.

We're like the Hotel California that way.

Good ones.

All I do anymore though is love and appreciate what I love. I have a bit of a disconnect with the label "fan" for several reasons. I won't revisit them. I just prefer to be thought of as one who simply loves Trek/Wars/Galactica/what have you.... without being thought of as a fanatic.

 

[fireproof78]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Although I am not a part of any fandom anymore, I do have to say, I feel for even the fans who object to the Abrams films because of assholes like this guy.

At the end of the day, I think people are well within their rights to like or not like something. I really could care less. Hell, there's things about nuTrek I don't like. There's things about every Trek I don't like. I think Trek 3 may be a mitigated disaster. But I'll see it. No, the lies, the misinformation and the pure bullshittery are what really gets me going. And it's gotten me into trouble with these twerps a few times.

And I'm still waiting for my phat JJ plant check.

Exactly. Like it? Don't like it? That's up to the individual, and that's great.

But when deluded haters start preaching about why it is wrong/blasphemous to like something that doesn't fit
their ideal of what a given property should be....yeah. That's where one just has to wonder...."How do they make it in life?" Because it seems like they don't worry about the important things in life. They rant and rant about why their favorite show got the childhood rape treatment, and all the conspiracy behind it, and one has to wonder: "These people actually vote?"

Oh, and Bad Robot's looking into that for ya'.

I need that check too. I've been holding the torch for Abrams since the old st.com boards.

I guess that is one thing that gets under my skin is that blasphemy thing. I know that Abrams films are only the latest to receive such rancor, but it irks me in a weird way.

I've yet to put a specific label on it, but I think its the fact that it shuts down any meaningful discussion on the films in any capacity. As both of the above state, you can not like something, that is your opinion, and I'll respect that and listen to it. But, declaring something "blasphemous" or "childhood rape" or "ruined the original" I find frustrating because then there can be no discussion.

I don't mind disagreement but I would like discussion.

 

[Campe]

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I really could care less.

So... why don't you? Care less, I mean.

This is what happens when I don't proofread.

I don't mind disagreement but I would like discussion.

That's one of the reasons I like TrekBBS. Admittedly though sometimes you have to wade through paragraphs and paragraphs of people saying absolutely nothing or something we've heard from them hundreds of times before. But at least there's a discussion about it!

 

[CrazyMatt]

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I recently saw Into Darkness and wasn't really impressed! Too much explosions and not enough story! Too much zapping and not enough explanations! Nothing like TOS in fact! I liked the first one and was happy about this alternate reality but now I'm not so sure!
JB

So, in other words, a great description of the vacuous film making that is far too prevalent today, IMHO.

(no offense intended to you film making posters!)

 

[CrazyMatt]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

I really could care less.

So... why don't you? Care less, I mean.

This is what happens when I don't proofread.

So you were careless?

Sorry, couldn't help it.

 

[Campe]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

So... why don't you? Care less, I mean.

This is what happens when I don't proofread.

So you were careless?

Sorry, couldn't help it.

 

[Marsden]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

I recently saw Into Darkness and wasn't really impressed! Too much explosions and not enough story! Too much zapping and not enough explanations! Nothing like TOS in fact! I liked the first one and was happy about this alternate reality but now I'm not so sure!
JB

So, in other words, a great description of the vacuous film making that is far too prevalent today, IMHO.

(no offense intended to you film making posters!)

Indeed, I think you summed up one of my major complaints about them, they are just like any other property out there. Star Trek means more to me than that. Maybe it means too much to me and that's why I can't appreciate the Beyification of it. But that's a flaw with me at least as much as with the movie.

 

[SevrinThree]

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Agreed. The thing that, for me, most sets Star Trek apart from other sci-fi franchises is its thoughtfulness. Trek, at its best, creates the sense that it is coming to you from people that truly care about crafting a believable and thought-provoking universe. Case in point: as a HUGE Motion Picture fan, I find new things to appreciate, new details I missed, with every viewing. NuTrek, on the other hand, brings me nothing but new frustrations and reasons to slap my forehead. Scene after scene -- in both movies -- is packed with nonsensical, almost belligerently ridiculous, artistic choices.

 

[BillJ]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

Agreed. The thing that, for me, most sets Star Trek apart from other sci-fi franchises is its thoughtfulness. Trek, at its best, creates the sense that it is coming to you from people that truly care about crafting a believable and thought-provoking universe. Case in point: as a HUGE Motion Picture fan, I find new things to appreciate, new details I missed, with every viewing. NuTrek, on the other hand, brings me nothing but new frustrations and reasons to slap my forehead. Scene after scene -- in both movies -- is packed with nonsensical, almost belligerently ridiculous, artistic choices.

Change is hard because there is nothing more nonsensical in the Abrams films than there are in the other series/movies...

Captain Janeway, Lieutenant Paris and and their offspring would like a word with you...

 

[Campe]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

God, not the salamanders!

 

[BillJ]

Re: What happened to "Our Star Trek Page (The 2009 Movie Was Blasphemy

God, not the salamanders!

Every time someone points out the Abrams films are the dumbest/most nonsensical piece of Trek ever... I'm pulling out the salamanders!