I find picard rummaging around in a dark château watching his mom commiting suicide depressing and ridiculous for a show called star trek. That whole season stunk so bad.
Spoilers What fanwankery will they pull for the finale?
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I find picard rummaging around in a dark château watching his mom commiting suicide depressing and ridiculous for a show called star trek. That whole season stunk so bad.
Yes. I agree. It was pretty bad. But I actually liked the first season, even with the clunky bits.
That's the hope. People are saying this returns Trek but it doesn't. It plays familiar notes and claims it's new.
Which "basic"? It's a season long story about saving the universe, set on a overly dark ship, with all the characters getting emotional. In the end a hug saves the day.
Shhhh...that's not what you're supposed to do.Which "basic"? It's a season long story about saving the universe, set on a overly dark ship, with all the characters getting emotional. In the end a hug saves the day.
New vs old. This is a problem with franchises which have reached a mature point in their lifecycle. Make something new to try and grab a new audience, at the risk of alienating the old audience. Or keep retreading classics to cater to the old audience, at the risk of obsolescence. Revisiting the past might be satisfying to some in the short term, but it's going to get stale. Stagnation is not the way forward.
Same argument made by musical bands who choose to alter their styles over time. If a band has a large enough catalogue, it triggers very similar disputes among "the fans" (my favourite such band happens to be Genesis--and the arguments rival Trek arguments in tone, if not in scope).
"It's better to burn out than it is to rust"
It's better to try new things than stagnate and recycle the past.
Correct.
Sometimes your audience wants an experimental solo album. Sometimes they want the band back together and playing the greatest hits. There's certainly room for both.
Has to sound reasonably good though. And this season, dear god, the horror
I loved seeing the band back together, with some of their best performances ever. I was satisfied. Mileage may vary.
Isn't the foremost problem that the executive producers have decided that the first concern should be pleasing the crowd? Of course, Paramount, Kurtzman and the individual showrunners want to make money, but in the past people believed that the best way to do that was challenging the audience. Indeed, it seemed that Season 1 (along with Discovery 1-2) was trying to do something more with the Star Trek format. It tried to make something more of the universe. The missteps came from things that could have been fixed or could have been ironed out over time. Picard would have found a way to be an influential man without having to be in Starfleet. Defensively, the showrunners put everyone into uniforms and started looking for ways to underplay the character's age. Conversely, problems in that first season, like the last-minute, sudden surprise alien adversary, was still part of Season 3.
I agree, as in that’s what I almost always want, but relatively few productions (Trek or otherwise) have actually followed that path and even among those who have, reaction (therefore profit) has been uncertain. With ever increasing costs, the tolerance for risk diminishes.
It wasn't all fanwank. Sure, both Data and Troi could do handbrake turns with the Enterprise and Crusher could program multivalent attacks, but Seven had to yell at the cook!
This was the most fanwanky thing ever made.
You cringed at Spock's "Khaaaaaan!" in Into Darkness? This was the 10 episode version of that.
You cringed at Spock's "Khaaaaaan!" in Into Darkness? This was the 10 episode version of that.