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What era the U.S.S. Discovery NCC-1031 will be from?
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Judging by the look of the ship, to me, it looks like about 30 years after Enterprise. Here's why:
1. The overall ship seems pretty much like they took the NX and scaled it up.
2. Saucer:
3. The NX01 had a dark silver color, the Discovery has a Bronze color. This may indicate hull polarization ability. Whereas TOS and later and Aramsverse have gray or white hulls.
4.The delta secondary hull looks similar in shape to the NX 01 pylon sections which also have a delta shape, except they are filled to create cargo space in in on the Discovery.
5. the rear of the secondary hull also has impulse engines, much like the NX01
6. the nacelles appear to me to be essentially the same style bussard collectors as the NX01, just 3 of them on each nacelle. They also don't look as advanced as the TOS or the Abramsverse enterprises to me. Seems to me more the technology hasn't advanced that much, so they just triple-downed on the NX01-level of Tech.
7. The styling of the Discover, to me at least, seems to be a combination of Earth, Vulcan, and possibly even Tellarite and Andoran tech. What era to better do that than post Enterprise/Pre TOS?
8.The second most referenced Star Trek incarnation in the Abramsverse, aside from TOS, is Enterprise. That era is the only one that both the Prime universe and Abramsverse still share. Seems to me the best era to satisfy both fans of the Prime Timeline and the Abramsverse. Also, there is about 70+ years in between ENT and the Narada incursion, so there is a lot of time to play with there. If Star Trek Discovery is set 20-40 years after Enterprise, that is enough time to advance as much as Discovery has seemed to over the NX01, yet still remain older tech compared to both the Abramsverse and TOS.
1. The overall ship seems pretty much like they took the NX and scaled it up.
2. Saucer:
the saucer has some styling that resembles the USS Franklin, and to me, look more advanced than the NX01, but not as advanced as either the TOS Enterprise or the Abramsverse Enterprise
4.The delta secondary hull looks similar in shape to the NX 01 pylon sections which also have a delta shape, except they are filled to create cargo space in in on the Discovery.
5. the rear of the secondary hull also has impulse engines, much like the NX01
6. the nacelles appear to me to be essentially the same style bussard collectors as the NX01, just 3 of them on each nacelle. They also don't look as advanced as the TOS or the Abramsverse enterprises to me. Seems to me more the technology hasn't advanced that much, so they just triple-downed on the NX01-level of Tech.
7. The styling of the Discover, to me at least, seems to be a combination of Earth, Vulcan, and possibly even Tellarite and Andoran tech. What era to better do that than post Enterprise/Pre TOS?
8.The second most referenced Star Trek incarnation in the Abramsverse, aside from TOS, is Enterprise. That era is the only one that both the Prime universe and Abramsverse still share. Seems to me the best era to satisfy both fans of the Prime Timeline and the Abramsverse. Also, there is about 70+ years in between ENT and the Narada incursion, so there is a lot of time to play with there. If Star Trek Discovery is set 20-40 years after Enterprise, that is enough time to advance as much as Discovery has seemed to over the NX01, yet still remain older tech compared to both the Abramsverse and TOS.
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By my eye, it looks to me a mostly dark silver base coat, with some bronze tiles (maybe that is the polarization plating). But the Discovery looks almost all bronze, to me. Hence a more advanced hull polarization, to me, anyway.
Like I say, you cant really judge a ship's era based on things like hull colours, just because the designs don't progress in a linear way; only things like iPhones and BMWs do this, because they are artificially cladded in something that designers push to look slightly different in increments - giving people the impression that technology moves in incraments. Actual military and space technology just abides by one principle - form follows function.
Having said that, it does look like an early ship to me; but perhaps a large part of why I place it as an older ship, is because we can see some of the production team's intention - the NCC registry is so low - and the design knowingly borrows from a piece of famous 23rd century concept art. The look would certainly fit well in any era between ENT and TMP, as just an interesting design path that Starfleet didn't subsequently follow. I can imagine it crewed by people in the beige uniforms of The Motion Picture, the TOS uniforms, the pre-TOS Kelvin uniforms, etc.
P.S. Someone commented on the previous page about Singer's old idea about a Federation 3000 that has fallen, like Andromeda, and needs piecing together again. I sincrerly hope they don't go with that. It might one day be something that could be a series, but I feel like they need to resestablish the Star Trek formula first, before going down the path of something like Andromeda or Babylon 5. I take Fuller's comments about wanting to bring back TOS to mean this.
Having said that, it does look like an early ship to me; but perhaps a large part of why I place it as an older ship, is because we can see some of the production team's intention - the NCC registry is so low - and the design knowingly borrows from a piece of famous 23rd century concept art. The look would certainly fit well in any era between ENT and TMP, as just an interesting design path that Starfleet didn't subsequently follow. I can imagine it crewed by people in the beige uniforms of The Motion Picture, the TOS uniforms, the pre-TOS Kelvin uniforms, etc.
P.S. Someone commented on the previous page about Singer's old idea about a Federation 3000 that has fallen, like Andromeda, and needs piecing together again. I sincrerly hope they don't go with that. It might one day be something that could be a series, but I feel like they need to resestablish the Star Trek formula first, before going down the path of something like Andromeda or Babylon 5. I take Fuller's comments about wanting to bring back TOS to mean this.
Given that the TV show will presumably attempt (1) to draw in new viewers unfamiliar with all the Star Trek baggage (2) not want to step on the movie series' toes (3) not have to adopt all the conventions of TNG/original movies, it stands to reason that Discovery would be pre-Kelvin, post ENT. Maintains "Canon." Sidesteps Romulan war silliness. Doesn't have to do weird Temporal War b/s. It's a pretty blank slate for a new story. That's my semi-educated guess.
I can imagine a soft reboot, set after the Dominion War. The ship was taken out of mothballs then.
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There's still a lot things they have to mind if they want to stay with canon. No ridges for Klingons, different ships have different insignia, no Romulans.
There are many big events that happen to the Starfleet after the ENT era. Romulan War, Klingon War, the birth of Federation, etc. And it's also logical if they want to make a series that has the same era as the Axanar. To put it out from the Prime Directive canon.
The saucer looks similar to the Kelvin's. It seems to have the same "way bigger than the TOS Enterprise" scale too. So I'd guess post-Kelvin, pre-TOS. Between 2233 and 2264.
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I have always thought that a perfect era and setting for a Star Trek series would be a few years after the founding of the Federation, aboard the very first Federation starship built with input from each of the founding worlds. I imagined this ship would be the first of the Phoenix Class, named after Cochrane's ship and in honor of his work ultimately leading to the UFP.
Such a ship might have a registry of NCC-1000, so perhaps Discovery is a later ship in the same class, or the first ship of the class to be sent on a long-term mission of deep space exploration.
Based on the actual design, though, I think we're looking at post-ENT, due to the similarities to the Franklin's secondary hull. I'd have loved to see that ship design (especially that bridge!) used in Discovery, but I can see why it wouldn't be.
Such a ship might have a registry of NCC-1000, so perhaps Discovery is a later ship in the same class, or the first ship of the class to be sent on a long-term mission of deep space exploration.
Based on the actual design, though, I think we're looking at post-ENT, due to the similarities to the Franklin's secondary hull. I'd have loved to see that ship design (especially that bridge!) used in Discovery, but I can see why it wouldn't be.
Why not have it be an older ship repurposed post Star Trek VI?
Better but the saucer is still a bit too small and mounted a bit far forward.
Not really. The nacelles are horizontal instead of vertical making the Saucer appear smaller relative to that with ships with vertical nacelles. I really don't see anything in this design that pegs it to a current know era. The color and style is just different.
Those aren't meant to be alternative designs. Those are supposed to be accurate cracks at representing of what was in the video.
I keep on hearing rumors this show is set between Star Trek 6 and the first season of TNG.
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