What episode would you want them to "remake"?
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kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
The Enterprise Incident
Spock wants to reach out to the Romulans as they are the best hope of the Vulcans survival. Finds out the Romulans are nasty bastards. Works with Kirk to steal the cloaking device. Kirk leads the cloaked Enterprise on a mission to cripple the Romulans war apparatus. Spock wants to make sure the Romulans can't threaten his people again.
Think of the Iraq war told in Trek terms. Attacking someone who actually didn't attack you just in case they are able to attack you at some possible time in the future. Add in Pike running interference back at Starfleet. Somewhere in there another ship attacks the Klingons. Stray torpedo hits energy production facility on Praxis. Due to the moon being in a different part of the orbit and the fact that the explosion is created by a torpedo, most of Praxis impacts Qo'noS wiping out most of the Klingons.
The usual bad guys are now out of the way for new bad guys to move in.
Spock wants to reach out to the Romulans as they are the best hope of the Vulcans survival. Finds out the Romulans are nasty bastards. Works with Kirk to steal the cloaking device. Kirk leads the cloaked Enterprise on a mission to cripple the Romulans war apparatus. Spock wants to make sure the Romulans can't threaten his people again.
Think of the Iraq war told in Trek terms. Attacking someone who actually didn't attack you just in case they are able to attack you at some possible time in the future. Add in Pike running interference back at Starfleet. Somewhere in there another ship attacks the Klingons. Stray torpedo hits energy production facility on Praxis. Due to the moon being in a different part of the orbit and the fact that the explosion is created by a torpedo, most of Praxis impacts Qo'noS wiping out most of the Klingons.
The usual bad guys are now out of the way for new bad guys to move in.
NONE.
ZERO.
NADA.
to rehash any of the old stuff would be a waste of a decent reboot.
Maybe if an old story was done as a complete re-imagining, bearing little if any resemblance to the original then maybe.
It would have to be damn good though, otherwise, don't bother. There are plenty of new possibilities open now, no need to timidly go where we've already been before.
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
It's not the same Kirk & Spock.
Yeah, sorry it is.
Slightly different experiences to get to where they are, but it's still them.
No matter how much you wish it wasn't.
Well, actually he's right. Even the tie-in literature writers have confirmed that these aren't the same characters.
Interesting notion - I hadn't considered that option. And after all, it isn't the Rommies of the Abramsverse who whomped Vulcan.
Nimoy-Spock could brief Starfleet on the nastiness of the Rommies, but he has to be circumspect and not too negative, because a) the Rommies in Nimoy-Spock's universe weren't so irredemably nasty that Spock wouldn't try to help them and b) we don't know for sure how nasty the Rommies of the Abramsverse are - we've never met em. Yet.
Here's an interesting twist: the Rommies of the Abramsverse could play nice towards Quinto-Spock and Starfleet and lull them into a false sense of security. Nimoy-Spock might advise everyone to be cautious and skeptical, but not at the risk of possible peace. The destruction of Vulcan would be seen by the Rommies as a golden opportunity to remove their longtime rival once and for all, and deal an even more crippling blow to the Federation.
By which you mean Quinto-Spock since Nimoy's Spock is unlikely to appear on screen in the next movie, right? You're right that he'll definitely have hostility that he'll need to supress, even towards his own universe's Romulans, who had nothing to do with Vulcan getting whalloped. Nimoy-Spock knows that peace is at least possible with the Romulans and would advise everyone not to frak things up worse. We can assume that offscreen, he's been advising a calm, long-term approach. But after all, it wasn't Nimoy-Spock's Vulcan that was destroyed.
Kirk won't have any personal animosity towards the Rommies. Spock will do a great job hiding his animosity, so that Kirk might not realize the danger till it's too late. But Kirk will be the one who needs to stop Spock from doing something irrational and vengeful.
Of the two, I think Spock is more different from the original, and will continue to diverge. Kirk started out different but is trending towards being more like the original. Their character trajectories are going in two different directions, which is a wonderful basis for a story.
Sorry, like I said, no matter how much you wish it to be so, it isn't. And when did tie in literature become beloved canon? Alan Dean Foster isn't canon.
FACT: Nero went back in time to a point in the universe/timestream whatever, that up until the point of his arrival, is identical to established Trek.
The problem is that some of you are so desperately clinging to the concept of "it's not the same characters" to the point of being ridiculous.
Fact is, it IS the same characters, however certain points in their histories are altered, giving them slightly different points of view or perspectives/motivations from the originals.
Spock is essentially the same character right up until he left Vulcan for Starfleet, and in fact, Federation historical changes caused by Nero's incursion in the past would likely have had little to no effect on how he would develop as a character, right up until Vulcan was blown up.
Kirk is completely a different story one could argue, but is he really? He lost his dad before birth in this reality/timeline, but based on what was shown in the new film, probably avoided the Tarsus IV catastrophe entirely. So it looks like his development as a person traded one personal tragedy for another.
In the end, while certain historical details have changed, both characters developed into the characters we knew with only slightly altered motivations. Old Spock being the nudge to guide Kirk and his younger self onto the path he knew they were destined to take.
So sorry, but these guys are the offspring of the same parents, from the same time line, from the same universe that were slightly altered at a critical point in history as the originals.
But if it helps you to sleep better at night to say these are not the same characters, go for it.
Char Aznable
Lieutenant Commander
No, but their opinions weigh heavier.
Comments like this make me wonder if you have any troubles sleeping at night.
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
That's the thing. Genetically, they're the same. Everything else, they're different.
Spock is more human at a MUCH earlier point that Prim Spock was. And he's also lost his mother, his planet and almost all his culture.It's very, very, VERY likely that T'Pring is dead. What would that do to him? They had a mental bond. It's possible, however, that in this reality they were not bonded but that's simply another difference.
Kirk had a much different life in this reality. No father while he was growing up. He entered the academy later. He didn't get the experience on the way to command. Pike was a MUCH greater influence on him. He's a Captain at 25.
Sorry, as much as you want them to be, they aren't the same people except superficially.
Spock is more human at a MUCH earlier point that Prim Spock was. And he's also lost his mother, his planet and almost all his culture.It's very, very, VERY likely that T'Pring is dead. What would that do to him? They had a mental bond. It's possible, however, that in this reality they were not bonded but that's simply another difference.
Kirk had a much different life in this reality. No father while he was growing up. He entered the academy later. He didn't get the experience on the way to command. Pike was a MUCH greater influence on him. He's a Captain at 25.
Sorry, as much as you want them to be, they aren't the same people except superficially.
Star Trek 2009's theme is actually the same as Star Trek: Nemesis' theme: two people with the same genetic code, but raised under totally different circumstances, resulting in a totally different character.
We've discussed that at lengths in the literature section. For instance that the original Kirk has a love for antiques, history and literature, that he was a "stack of books with legs at the academy", that he had a strict respect for authority and command structure before the movie era where he had to break Starfleet rules ONCE to save Spock's body, and so on... but that the new Kirk is none of that, especially since he was changed into the rebellious, insubordinate stereotype because Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams thought that was the image the general audience has of "James T. Kirk".
We've discussed that at lengths in the literature section. For instance that the original Kirk has a love for antiques, history and literature, that he was a "stack of books with legs at the academy", that he had a strict respect for authority and command structure before the movie era where he had to break Starfleet rules ONCE to save Spock's body, and so on... but that the new Kirk is none of that, especially since he was changed into the rebellious, insubordinate stereotype because Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams thought that was the image the general audience has of "James T. Kirk".
For Star Trek Twelve I think they should do a remake Sacrifice of Angels from DS9. It's perfect for a major summer movie, It's Star trek's biggest space battle episode, lots of big explosions. Most of the movie would be without any character development and the original episode only had about fifteen minutes of actual plot.
In the end the major villian was left sobbing on the floor, Sisko had him gently taken to sickbay.
Maybe Chris Pine's Kirk instead could fire every thing they got at him as he laid helpless.
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In the end the major villian was left sobbing on the floor, Sisko had him gently taken to sickbay.
Maybe Chris Pine's Kirk instead could fire every thing they got at him as he laid helpless.
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Then I guess Dennis's opinion weighs even heavier than those of Foster since Bailey actually wrote 2 or 3 episodes of TNG that actually are part of "canon".
thanks for clearing that up.
Nope...I sleep like a baby pretty much every night. I don't keep myself up with the bitterness of having had my "childhood memories raped" like some here appear to do.
So many angry, angry posts around here.
But he didn't write episodes about nuKirk and nuSpock, did he?
And, ironically, your posts seem to be the most angry ones in this thread.
Wow...neither did Foster. He novelized someone else's work.
So sorry, no points for you.
And, ironically, your posts seem to be the most angry ones in this thread.
[/QUOTE]Odd since there is no anger in any of my posts, no ranting, no emotional distress, unlike yours.
I just find it humorous in the extreme to see so many expending so much energy to cry foul at a movie over a year later with such obvious irrational anger.
If you mistake my comments as anger then you are the one with the problem.
And I didn't only mean Foster, I also meant Bennett, Cox and Mack. The novels never got released, but they've been written nonetheless.
I dunno, but this
doesn't look too passionless either.
So far, my posts in this thread have been:
Yep, that's what Kirk and Spock would do.
I don't see how you could interpret emotional distress, ranting and anger in these. Maybe (failed) attempts at dry wit and sarcasm, but nobody's perfect.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
I would not remake any one episode, but I'm really hoping that the sequel takes the tone and theme of," A Taste of Armagedon" and re work it into something. The Vulcans need a new home world or colony. There is a lot to reconcile, so there is no excuse for them screwing this up. Unfortunately we all know what Kurtzman and Orci like to do with sequels.
They should remake "Spock's Brain", and see if they can make it worth its spot in canon.
