Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17
For the record, the TOS Enterprise is a beautiful lady and we love her.
For the record, the TOS Enterprise is a beautiful lady and we love her.
What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 1701
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No you haven't been unfair at all. I think you see what I am getting at when I post. The biggest problem I have with the new movies is the writing. The guys that wrote the first 2 wrote lost and like lost they leave to many things unexplained for my taste. What I do like about the new movies is the special effect which I believe are top notch(Especially the one in STID when Marcus blasts the enterprise in warp. Excellent.). I also have enjoyed Karl Urbans performance as McCoy. I wish they would increase his role in the films. I admit I was a bit to harsh when I first got on TrekToday when I said I disliked something but at the same time I never put another poster down or made fun of them. I just posted my feeling pretty strongly especially for the way NuSPock is written.
No you haven't been unfair at all. I think you see what I am getting at when I post. The biggest problem I have with the new movies is the writing. The guys that wrote the first 2 wrote lost and like lost they leave to many things unexplained for my taste. What I do like about the new movies is the special effect which I believe are top notch(Especially the one in STID when Marcus blasts the enterprise in warp. Excellent.). I also have enjoyed Karl Urbans performance as McCoy. I wish they would increase his role in the films. I admit I was a bit to harsh when I first got on TrekToday when I said I disliked something but at the same time I never put another poster down or made fun of them. I just posted my feeling pretty strongly especially for the way NuSPock is written.
Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17
And you'd probably expect the average fan of New Trek to embrace quite a lot of change, as let's face it there's been a lot in terms of almost every aspect - budget, tone, pacing, visuals, characters, major changes - destruction of Vulcan etc.
If the only things you enjoy in the new movies are the effects and Urban's portrayal, you're going to come up against a lot of opposing views. Sometimes mine. And my biggest love is the TOS movies.
And you'd probably expect the average fan of New Trek to embrace quite a lot of change, as let's face it there's been a lot in terms of almost every aspect - budget, tone, pacing, visuals, characters, major changes - destruction of Vulcan etc.
If the only things you enjoy in the new movies are the effects and Urban's portrayal, you're going to come up against a lot of opposing views. Sometimes mine. And my biggest love is the TOS movies.
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I don't mind opposition. Actually I am planning on seeing STID again. Mostly for the effects but maybe some of it will stick this time and I will like it better. Who knows.
IMO best Star Trek movie ever is The Wrath of Khan. Its the best of the best in Star Trek and still hasn't been surpassed. It just worth it to see Ricardo as Khan again. Also the nebula cloud battle is still exciting to this day. Excellent movie.
I don't mind opposition. Actually I am planning on seeing STID again. Mostly for the effects but maybe some of it will stick this time and I will like it better. Who knows.
IMO best Star Trek movie ever is The Wrath of Khan. Its the best of the best in Star Trek and still hasn't been surpassed. It just worth it to see Ricardo as Khan again. Also the nebula cloud battle is still exciting to this day. Excellent movie.
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Yes it is. I think it's still the best all round for me too. It's certainly the one I've rewatched the most.
Yes it is. I think it's still the best all round for me too. It's certainly the one I've rewatched the most.
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I think STID is definitely worth a rewatch. I always find more when I do that with a film, even a film that I don't like.
In my opinion, TWOK is in the Top 3 Star Trek films, but is not my favorite film. It is in the top three because Nick Meyer assembled an incredible film, the filmography is top notch, the final battle is wonderful, and there are excellent performances all around, especially Ricardo's and Nimoy's performances.
However, it has many elements that I find uncomfortable to watch, and decrease my enjoyment of the film. First of all, the whole thing with Khan's discovery. Khan's motivation was great, but the Chekov and Terrell discovery plays oddly to me.
Secondly, I cannot stand the body horror elements. Ceti eels not only give me the creeps but feel so deliberately cruel that I skip that part. Yes, I know that is the point, but it takes away from the enjoyment of the film and Khan's point of being marooned.
Same thing with Terrell killing himself, and the murder of the Regula 1 crew. Again, I get the point, but the way it is portrayed in the film feels very forced, jump moments, that take away from my enjoyment of the film.
Finally, I don't like the Genesis Device. Its as technobable as it comes but that doesn't bother me. I feel like its just used so that Khan has some end goal outside of his revenge. It didn't bother me when I was younger but the whole ending bit with it just, again, feels forced.
I know it is an unpopular opinion, but TWOK is a beautiful looking film, but it is not my favorite Trek film.
I think STID is definitely worth a rewatch. I always find more when I do that with a film, even a film that I don't like.
In my opinion, TWOK is in the Top 3 Star Trek films, but is not my favorite film. It is in the top three because Nick Meyer assembled an incredible film, the filmography is top notch, the final battle is wonderful, and there are excellent performances all around, especially Ricardo's and Nimoy's performances.
However, it has many elements that I find uncomfortable to watch, and decrease my enjoyment of the film. First of all, the whole thing with Khan's discovery. Khan's motivation was great, but the Chekov and Terrell discovery plays oddly to me.
Secondly, I cannot stand the body horror elements. Ceti eels not only give me the creeps but feel so deliberately cruel that I skip that part. Yes, I know that is the point, but it takes away from the enjoyment of the film and Khan's point of being marooned.
Same thing with Terrell killing himself, and the murder of the Regula 1 crew. Again, I get the point, but the way it is portrayed in the film feels very forced, jump moments, that take away from my enjoyment of the film.
Finally, I don't like the Genesis Device. Its as technobable as it comes but that doesn't bother me. I feel like its just used so that Khan has some end goal outside of his revenge. It didn't bother me when I was younger but the whole ending bit with it just, again, feels forced.
I know it is an unpopular opinion, but TWOK is a beautiful looking film, but it is not my favorite Trek film.
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The Motion Picture Enterprise is my favorite.
The Motion Picture Enterprise is my favorite.
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Not saying anyone's opinion is more or less valid. Just stating what I find aesthetically pleasing, and what I think could have looked better to me. And I am not saying the Abramsprise is exactly hideous, either. As far as Trek ships go, or sci fi ships in general, its a good looking design. In fact, I have some days where I actually like it better than other Enterprise incarnations, including E-D, E-E, and NX.
But between either TOS or TMP versions VS Abramsprise, for me, there's no comparison. If you ask me, they got it right the first time, and even more right with the refit.
Not saying anyone's opinion is more or less valid. Just stating what I find aesthetically pleasing, and what I think could have looked better to me. And I am not saying the Abramsprise is exactly hideous, either. As far as Trek ships go, or sci fi ships in general, its a good looking design. In fact, I have some days where I actually like it better than other Enterprise incarnations, including E-D, E-E, and NX.
But between either TOS or TMP versions VS Abramsprise, for me, there's no comparison. If you ask me, they got it right the first time, and even more right with the refit.
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Unless it is a positive opinion about the Abrams films. Then you have quite a few posters that come after you like rabid dogs.
Unless it is a positive opinion about the Abrams films. Then you have quite a few posters that come after you like rabid dogs.
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To be fair the opposite can be true as well.
Woof.
To be fair the opposite can be true as well.
Woof.
Re: What Enterprise Do You Prefer? NuENterprise NCC 1701 or TOS NCC 17
Don't divert an active thread with it, though - at best, that's considered poor form.
If you feel there's something which has not been handled fairly in a forum, then there are appropriate ways to register that complaint (the most often-used being the Notify Moderator button or a PM to the forum moderators.)
Don't divert an active thread with it, though - at best, that's considered poor form.
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There is a lot of tribalism in star Trek fandom. i don't really understand why, and it seems to me there really shouldn't be any in light of star trek's message.
Which is that we can overcome our petty differences.
And really don't see how fans can not embrace that philosophy and trash each other for liking different shows than other people.
As a result of this post, I am now listening to Depeche Mode's People Are people.
There is a lot of tribalism in star Trek fandom. i don't really understand why, and it seems to me there really shouldn't be any in light of star trek's message.
Which is that we can overcome our petty differences.
And really don't see how fans can not embrace that philosophy and trash each other for liking different shows than other people.
As a result of this post, I am now listening to Depeche Mode's People Are people.
Starborn Dragon
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I do not understand some fan's resistance to change.
If nothing changes then things become stagnant and it becomes the same thing over and over again.
That's why fans were frustrated with Brannon and Braga and the TNG movies.
I do not understand some fan's resistance to change.
If nothing changes then things become stagnant and it becomes the same thing over and over again.
That's why fans were frustrated with Brannon and Braga and the TNG movies.
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Were aren't resistant to change at all. STID was basically a TWOK copy in many ways. Something new would have been creating a whole new crew. Instead they copied the original. So that nothing new. I would have been up for something new in Star Trek. DS9 was so good because it was different and well written.
Were aren't resistant to change at all. STID was basically a TWOK copy in many ways. Something new would have been creating a whole new crew. Instead they copied the original. So that nothing new. I would have been up for something new in Star Trek. DS9 was so good because it was different and well written.
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To say nothing of Rick and Berman.
To say nothing of Rick and Berman.
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There are Trekkies who are resistant to change. The reactions to TMP,TNG. DS9 and ENT show this. I'm sure VOY had similar reactions, but not being a fan I never paid attention. Of course there are also complaints when there is too much of the same. You can't win.
There's more to being "new" than a new crew, ship or century. And there's no reason you can't do new things with the original characters.
They used the same villain and had a homage or two. The overall plots are different. Even Khan's motivations are different. It's more an alternate take on Space Seed.
There are Trekkies who are resistant to change. The reactions to TMP,TNG. DS9 and ENT show this. I'm sure VOY had similar reactions, but not being a fan I never paid attention. Of course there are also complaints when there is too much of the same. You can't win.
There's more to being "new" than a new crew, ship or century. And there's no reason you can't do new things with the original characters.
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Indeed. The plots of TWOK and ID are similar in that they have Khan and a main character dies.
However, the tone, themes and character arcs are not the same, and, in my opinion, speak two different stories that are worth analyzing on their own.
Indeed. The plots of TWOK and ID are similar in that they have Khan and a main character dies.
However, the tone, themes and character arcs are not the same, and, in my opinion, speak two different stories that are worth analyzing on their own.
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But I hear that Ronald, D., and Moore are pretty good themselves.
But I hear that Ronald, D., and Moore are pretty good themselves.
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As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.
It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.
As much as I didn't agree with the inclusion reactor room scene at the time, It's the only bit of the film you could say is 'copied' from TWOK, and even then it's a stretch - it's only a few minutes out of the film's 2 hour running time, and it was played out with different characters - even the 'you'd better get down here' line was spoken by a different character. Plus it served to complete Kirk's character arc in the movie.
It's a homage, a nod. The rest of the film is completely different.
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