What do you dislike about The Dark Knight?

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by T'Baio, Dec 18, 2008.

  1. The Evil Dead

    The Evil Dead Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 20, 2003
    1123, 6536, 5321
    That warning seems kinda strict for the otherwise cool Trek BBS.

    Anyway, I'll go with the obvious... Christian Bale's Batman voice is terrible.
  2. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Premium Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    I was going to stick up for it by saying it was a direct quote from Superdickery, but it seems Trekker misremembered it.
  3. The Borgified Corpse

    The Borgified Corpse Admiral Admiral

    Jun 4, 2000
    Ouch! Forgotten already? You were just down ther
    Agreed. Within the context of the WWII cover posted above, Scrooge4747's comments clearly weren't intended to offend anyone or to refer to anything other than the WWII context.

    Agreed. If we could somehow edit the sex scenes from Bound, Embrace of the Vampire, & Wild Things into The Dark Knight, we would have the world's first completely perfect movie.

    The empty warehouses seem plausible enough.

    The hospital strains credulity when you think about it but I suppose it's not impossible if we assume that the Joker had been planning to blow up that hospital for weeks or even months.

    The problem with the ferrys is that, with all of the backlog of people demanding to get off the island, you'd think they would have expanded passenger space by cramming people into the cargo hold. I find it hard to believe that, at the very least, the explosives in the cargo holds would not have been discovered before the ferrys left port.
  4. Ward Fowler

    Ward Fowler Commodore Commodore

    Apr 30, 2005
    Lucerne's Parlor of Mystery
  5. JacksonArcher

    JacksonArcher Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 16, 2001
    You mean this?

  6. Braxton

    Braxton Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 9, 2004
    Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA
    I didn't like that Gotham City didn't look like the Gotham City from "Batman Begins", especially Wayne Tower. Looked soooooo much better in BB.
  7. ria 75

    ria 75 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 24, 2008
    My garden, on the other side of the frog pond
    Trekker was just being faithful to the language of the period. What happened to the spirit of parody? :(

    Not superheroes' greatest hour of glory

    Plus a word search brings up these unwarned occurrences - context being similar.
    It all looks harmless to me.
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2008
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    May 10, 2005
    The visitor's bullpen
    ^ Agreed. Trekker is the furthest thing from a racist. It really IS all about context and parody, which he is well aware of. He doesn't deserve this treatment.
  9. Trubinator

    Trubinator Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 22, 2004
    Chico, Calif.
    I thought the film could have benefited from more music during some of the action-heavy sequences.
  10. Aragorn

    Aragorn Admiral Admiral

    Dec 30, 2002
    Alyssa Milano as a nudist Catwoman who's into chicks?

    Gina Gershon as a nudist Poison Ivy who's into chicks?

    Denise Richards as a nudist Talia al Ghul who's into chicks?

    There's three roles cast for the next movie right there!
  11. The Borgified Corpse

    The Borgified Corpse Admiral Admiral

    Jun 4, 2000
    Ouch! Forgotten already? You were just down ther
    I swap out Alyssa Milano with Charlotte Lewis as Catwoman. Then, I'd do Denise Richards as Poison Ivy. And I'd add Neve Campbell as Harley Quinn. For Talia al-Ghul, maybe bring in Sarah Michelle Gellar from Cruel Intentions or even Joan Chen from Wild Side.
  12. doubleohfive

    doubleohfive Fleet Admiral

    Aug 17, 2001
    Hollywood, CA
    This board has no concept of context unless it is being used against posters themselves. There's nothing in the board rules about context though the only time it is brought up tends to be when someone who is a regular troublemaker gets his hand slapped and is told, "Based on your history with so-and-so..."

    That said, I see why JKTim issued the warning. There are many sensitive people on this board, sensitive especially to issues of race. I myself tend to be quite touchy when I feel that Arabs are mischaracterized in the media or I see something posted by a fellow member that could be deemed hateful or insulting.

    There are also however people who take it WAY too far. Good Will Riker, for instance who seems to believe everyone in the world is out to insult, badmouth, dehumanize, or marginalize Asian-Americans.

    I could understand if, in this instance, the usage came from someone we know to be hateful of other cultures, or if Trekker had actually posted something along the lines of, "I hate japs!" but come on! Trekker is a self-described misanthrope, yes, and hopefully he's on what will be a fantastic date tonight, but I have to chime in and say that based on JKTim's history with Trekker, that this might be a bit of an over-reaction.

    As Gloria25th points out, similar usage of the word has been friendlied in GM&TV by jkladis, who is about as like-minded a mod as anyone could possibly be with JKTim. I see no reason why, given the satirical nature of the post and the context of the situation the infraction and ban should not be immediately rescinded beyond the obvious factor that mods are probably sleeping, traveling, or on holiday at the moment.

    On topic: I enjoyed the film thoroughly. Upon my second viewing however, I found the ferry scene to be quite deadening to the pace of the plot, and was actually saying to myself, "Just blow them up already!!"

    Otherwise, fantastic film.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2008
  13. Timby

    Timby Anyone who opposes me will be destroyed. Administrator

    May 28, 2001
    While I'm not a big proponent of handing out warnings willy-nilly, racial slurs are unacceptable, no matter the context. If someone in the GTVM forum were to make a post, in a rap-related thread, to the effect of "Hey, insert racially charged n-word epithet here, let's lay down some tracks and then we go cruisin' through my hood, what you say, G?" in some sort of ridiculous attempt at mocking hip-hop culture, I'd have a hard time saying, "Well, we let someone use the word 'Jap' in a mocking, humorous context, so I can't really say that a mocking, humorous usage of 'the n-word' is worthy of a warning, either." Much the same as if the comic cover had Batman brandishing a fire hose and someone had said, "Darkies get the hose, Robin!" Yeah, that'd be satirizing the hyperbole of the south in the 1960s. But it wouldn't be acceptable, either.

    If racial slurs merit automatic warnings or boots from The Neutral Zone of all places (which is the rule), then I'm hard-pressed to say they shouldn't merit action in other forums.

    That's the last of that matter in this thread. If there's more to be said, it can be said when Trekker returns to the board and starts an MA thread, if he so chooses.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2008
  14. ria 75

    ria 75 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 24, 2008
    My garden, on the other side of the frog pond
    Dare I say, Trekker4747 didn't make a racial slur. World War Two propaganda did. Using comics characters. Can't we allude to that? Or must we be in denial?
    Now if he'd said "gooks", I would find that in bad taste, even if it would be historically correct - I realize this is not a blanket excuse.

    But an innocent caption? What other word should have been used? Boy, he should have picked the Nazis instead. I think that still goes unpunished. Except Americans, like Batman represented, mostly faught in the Pacific. And "japs" is the least derogatory word that was commonly used.
    Says the cracker frog broad to the honkie yankee bloke.
    So, do I get 8 warnings for this post? :confused:

    Oops. Sorry, I spoke already. Didn't see the edit. Or read too fast.
    Besides, waiting for Trekker's return sort of defeats the purpose. :(
    The problem being that this prolific poster is denied a chance to plead his cause until it's too late to reverse the sentence.
  15. MyCylon

    MyCylon Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Nov 11, 2004
    Am I a Cylon?
    Just re-watched The Dark Knight for the first time (got it on DVD for Christmas). And even more than before I personally prefer Batman Begins. I'll even go so far as to say I think it's the better movie.

    Here's some of the problems I have with TDK:

    - Lack of direction and pacing problems: The movie moves at breakneck speed a lot of the time. However, at times it just feels confused to me although I exactly know where everything is headed. In terms of the pacing, as I stated the movie moves very fast at times. However, it really, really seems to slow down in parts and you're just wishing for it to move on.

    - Lenght (connected with the first point): I found the movie quite hard to sit through. I think it should have been shortened quite a bit. What's there IMHO doesn't actually warrant the two hours plus.

    - Action sequences: Some of the major action sequences IMHO are not very convincing. The transport of Dent across the city strikes me as one particularly weak example. First of all, the cops take the far more dangerous lower route even though only one side of the road is blocked. You can clearly see they simply could have avoided the obstacle put in place by the Joker. Secondly, the cops come across really, really badly in the ensuing chase scenes. They don't seem to be communicating at all (warning each other e.g.) or working together to hold off harm from Dent's truck. And why can't Dent's vehicle outrun a big freight truck (maybe these prisoner transport vehicles really are that slow but it just seems wrong IMHO)? All in all, the scene to me just never really managed to engage but just seemed to plod along slowly.

    - Quieter scenes: One of the biggest strengths for me in BB were the quieter parts where characters had time and space to breathe and develop. Those moments were as effective as they were introspective. And I sorely missed them here. Yes, there were some quieter moments here and there. But they were few and far between and IMHO never achieved the same atmosphere and, intimacy and beauty found in BB.

    - I really like Gyllenhaal as an actress but I just don't like her in this particular part. Personally, I far prefer Katie Holmes in BB, and even though she was probably one of the weakest links in that movie I keep missing her here.

    - Music: I adore the music in BB. And the best parts in TDK are the themes already established in the predecessor. I wasn't able to discover a single new piece of music that really stood out to me positively. There is a rather effective sound effect that illustrates the Joker's madness in several scenes (such as in Wayne's penthouse) but I wouldn't count that as music, personally.

    I do think TDK is a pretty good movie. It's certainly entertaining and has its share of though-provoking, challenging material. But in the end, I feel it's far more conventional than BB. To me, personally, BB managed to be special in some way. It's a beautiful movie. TDK, IMHO, simply is not.
  16. trekkerguy

    trekkerguy Commodore Commodore

    Jan 2, 2006
    Boise, ID
    Absoloutely nothing. This was the greatest work of cinematic art ever made.
  17. MIB

    MIB Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 19, 2001
    Someplace where I can watch you
    For a comic book movie, I though "The Dark Knight" was an 'A' effort. I had no trouble following the characters or the story. Not once did I think "Lets get on with it!!" or "Whoa, slow down, dammit!" Furthermore, the plot was engaging and remained so even after I saw it three time in the theater. Granted, there were plenty of comic-isms that would be in no way plausible in real life, but that's why it's a comic-book movie. :lol:

    The one thing that did grate on me however was the raspy voice. I didn't mind it in "Batman Begins". I didn't mind it during the first half of "TDK", but somewhere around the point where Dent finally goes nuts Nolan decides to jack up the raspy voice effect by a factor of ten. Batman's dialog just starts overpowering everything else and it got damned annoying.
  18. mr.peany

    mr.peany Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 23, 2000
    Melbourne, Australia
    The only thing that bugs me every time I watch the film is at the end of the bank robbery scene, where the Joker drives the bus out of the bank, surely someone must stop and think "hey, that ain't right!!". Just seemed jarring. Otherwise, I thought the film was brilliant. Well except for the final sonar scene, which confused me in the cinemas, but played out better at home.
  19. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Kansas City
    And why Fitchner's bank/liquor store manager didn't simply reach up and pull the smoke-gernade out of his mouth with his unbound and perfectly functional arms and hands.

    (And wouldn't the smoke gernade have made all the hostages pass out and and thus their explosive gernades would go off?

    But, yeah, you'd think SOMEONE would've noticed the bus that was backed into a building pulling into the line of busses. It was terribly convenient, too, that those busses were going by just as the Joker pulled his out. ;)
  20. roliver

    roliver Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 13, 2002
    Portland, Maine
    "It's all part of the plan."

    But, yes, it was odd that none of the bus drivers apparently took any notice of a bus pulling out of a building and slipping quietly into formation. Or perhaps they did, reported it, but the Joker slipped away in time to avoid capture?

    One part of the film I have never understood is why the kidnapped Dent knocked himself over in his chair, which lead to him knocking over some of the gas, which in turn ultimately lead to half of his face being burned over. What was he trying to accomplish?

    And why did Joker think that only Dent or Rachael could be saved? Did he calculate the exact moment in time Batman would learn of the two locations, the exact speed of the Batpod, future traffic conditions in Gotham, and adjust his timers accordingly? Not bad for a rabid dog chasing cars.