I think TOS fans love the movie; it's got Kirk and Spock in it, after all. At least, the people I spoke with about the movie loved it. However, mileage may vary with TOS fundamentalists...
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What do you diehard TOS fans think of the new movie?
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It has this ______(fill in blank) so you should like it.
What really pisses me off if the argument that if you want mass appeal you can't have a smart film. Total bullshit. Both The Dark Knight and Casino Royale are smart and fun films for example.
If you can tell a multilayered story then you can have both a smart and a fun movie. Contrary to what some may really believe they are not mutually exclusive objectives. In fact if you choose to go for only fun and stupid than you're ignoring or even insulting a sizeable portion of a potential audience.
Just wanted to say that over the weekend I spent some time with my mother (who lives 3,000 miles away from me). She's 75, she's been a fan since TOS premiered, and she had pretty much exactly the same reaction to the movie that I did: Didn't love it all, but loved and/or liked most of it of it, enjoyed the experience, enjoyed the little nods to old Trek, and is thrilled to see new Trek once again.
Well, you did want to know "diehard" TOS fans reaction to the movie, right? You can't get much more diehard than my mother.
Well, you did want to know "diehard" TOS fans reaction to the movie, right? You can't get much more diehard than my mother.
You are right. Fortunately, Star Trek was just as smart as a lot of TOS episodes.
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3D Master
Rear Admiral
No...more like WHERE is our Badass Robau Lounge. We sure as hell need one in the BBS.
My thoughts exactly.
A lot of this movies criticisms are also the same ones that the LitSF community has said about TOS -- i.e. that Trek was for the masses and not "serious" science or speculative fiction.
George Clayton Johnson, writer of "The Man Trap," said that TOS was no different than the pulp Captain Future stories; way behind what was being done in the New Wave of LitSF. And, as I've said in another thread, TOS wasn't particularly sophisticated in its exploration of social issues as other artistic endeavors in the 60s zeitgeist.
Does it make it bad television? Of course not. It makes it entertaining television with the occasional additional layer. Yet it's a layer that only scratches the surface.
TOS was always meant for a larger audience. A lot of creative decisions made by Roddenberry and Solow and others were done so to make a science-fiction series appeal to those who might not give such a show a second thought. It was made with the hope of creating a hit. A money maker for GR, for Desilu, for NBC.
Looks like we've come full circle. This newest Trek was made with the same hope and creative decisions as TOS -- make something that'll bring in a broad audience and make money.
Does it make it a bad movie? Not for me. It's entertaining, much like TOS. Would I like the sequel to have a bit more depth? Sure I would. I want the sequel to use The Dark Knight, a popular film that's smart and appeals to a broad audience, as a model and not Quantum of Solace or Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
Even though I disagree with a lot of the negative statements in regards to this film, I can understand the frustration of folks like warped9 because I share some of that. Trek as a format has the potential to tell really considered and thoughtful stories, but has often fallen short of that. It's a frustration also shared by critic Roger Ebert.
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This was not TOS... and it wasn't meant to be (ok, I'll stop--this has been hashed infinitum).
I didn't expect to like it. I went in armed with the "canon violations" and tried not to pay attention. And y'know, I just let myself relax and enjoy the movie. I had a blast!
I wish there was more time for character development, but there wasn't time. After all, was there any in ST:TMP? Maybe a touch on Spock, but that was it. ST:XI had more character development. Anyway, I also wasn't totally in synch with some of the characterizations, but overall I liked the interpretations.
And yeah, Kirk being promoted so quickly with so little experience was very hard to believe... because in TOS he was not a 'prodigy' commander. He was above average and fell into "hero" situations. This nuKirk is supposed to be an academic and technical genius. That's not oldKirk. But I'm OK with it.
It's funny... some people are so religious about TOS. That's where there is no tolerance of any contradiction. And so, you can't argue with people of that ilk. Let them squabble over minutia. It was a good movie. I look forward to the sequel.
I didn't expect to like it. I went in armed with the "canon violations" and tried not to pay attention. And y'know, I just let myself relax and enjoy the movie. I had a blast!
I wish there was more time for character development, but there wasn't time. After all, was there any in ST:TMP? Maybe a touch on Spock, but that was it. ST:XI had more character development. Anyway, I also wasn't totally in synch with some of the characterizations, but overall I liked the interpretations.
And yeah, Kirk being promoted so quickly with so little experience was very hard to believe... because in TOS he was not a 'prodigy' commander. He was above average and fell into "hero" situations. This nuKirk is supposed to be an academic and technical genius. That's not oldKirk. But I'm OK with it.
It's funny... some people are so religious about TOS. That's where there is no tolerance of any contradiction. And so, you can't argue with people of that ilk. Let them squabble over minutia. It was a good movie. I look forward to the sequel.
3D Master
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This was not TOS... and it wasn't meant to be (ok, I'll stop--this has been hashed infinitum).
I didn't expect to like it. I went in armed with the "canon violations" and tried not to pay attention. And y'know, I just let myself relax and enjoy the movie. I had a blast!
I wish there was more time for character development, but there wasn't time. After all, was there any in ST:TMP? Maybe a touch on Spock, but that was it. ST:XI had more character development. Anyway, I also wasn't totally in synch with some of the characterizations, but overall I liked the interpretations.
And yeah, Kirk being promoted so quickly with so little experience was very hard to believe... because in TOS he was not a 'prodigy' commander. He was above average and fell into "hero" situations. This nuKirk is supposed to be an academic and technical genius. That's not oldKirk. But I'm OK with it.
It's funny... some people are so religious about TOS. That's where there is no tolerance of any contradiction. And so, you can't argue with people of that ilk. Let them squabble over minutia. It was a good movie. I look forward to the sequel.
Oh, brilliant. The guy who went into the movie armed with "canon violations" is accusing those who say it's a bad movie filled with plotholes without any substance to it, just SFX shot after SFX strung together with juvenile unfunny jokes, to be squabbling over minutia.
I'm impressed, really, because you managed to make just as much sense as this horrifying excuse of a movie.
Oh, and there was no character development at all throughout the movie. The characters entered and exited the movie exactly the same. In fact, the one thing that COULD have been fantastic character development, something that could have driven an entire movie; Spock going with ONE OF HIS STUDENTS when before he would only be bothered with women if his mental faculties was compromised, was simply done by writer's fiat. He's with her, period, done, and over. That's not character development.
The fact that there was not enough time for not only character development, but anything approaching a good story with depth IS THE PROBLEM!
number6
Vice Admiral
^YOU are the problem. People liked the new film. You didn't. That doesn't make them less intelligent, or observant or any less of a fan.
There are just simply those kinds of fans who refuse to accept anything other than their own particular view of what Star Trek should be. The only Trek they will accept would probably be closer the script Melllvar wrote in "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
The film is a hit with fans old and new.
You're going to be the odd man out.. You and the three other people who post only to insult people who enjoyed this film.
Oh and by the way..
They built the Enterprise ON THE GROUND.
There are just simply those kinds of fans who refuse to accept anything other than their own particular view of what Star Trek should be. The only Trek they will accept would probably be closer the script Melllvar wrote in "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
The film is a hit with fans old and new.
You're going to be the odd man out.. You and the three other people who post only to insult people who enjoyed this film.
Oh and by the way..
They built the Enterprise ON THE GROUND.
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I spoke with two "die-Hards" the other day. One saw it and thought it had the "spirit" (I think he means adventure) of TOS, the other thought it didn't "feel" like TOS, but he loved it anyway. The odd thing is, I didn't KNOW they were die-hards until the new movie made it cool to talk about ST again. They prob never would have told me they were ST fans before.
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They prob never would have told me they were ST fans before.RAMA
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Your 'side' is the one doing all the insulting and ganging up, and as far as that goes, the mega-trolling, though apparently only folks who don't follow the party line get the warnings.
And as far as that goes ... they built the enterprise (no caps for THAT ship in your movie) with ground-based dirtsider thinking. I'm glad you're happy together.
From my observation most of the vitriol is coming from one side and a small group of people. There is a fair amount of gloating from the otherside though.
number6
Vice Admiral
I'm not gloating. I am psyched that this new film was entertaining and I am glad other people seem to think so after several years of lackluster product and endless whining.
The fact that this film single handedly has reignited the interest in Star Trek is something to be celebrated. Trek hasn't had this since the 90s.
I feel this film is a reward for those of us who has stuck by Star Trek all these years.
And we'll get another film.
This is the first time in a long while where another Trek film is an absolute certainty, while the current film is still playing in the theatres.
The fact that this film single handedly has reignited the interest in Star Trek is something to be celebrated. Trek hasn't had this since the 90s.
I feel this film is a reward for those of us who has stuck by Star Trek all these years.
And we'll get another film.
This is the first time in a long while where another Trek film is an absolute certainty, while the current film is still playing in the theatres.
and what really pisses me off is the attitude that ST09 must be dumb because it's fun.
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