What do you consider to be the Prime Timeline?

[Nerys Myk]

EAS has a great, extensive write up of this very subject, complete with graphs.

Lost me at EAS and graphs.

DISCOVERY was drastically retooled each season. The KlingOrcs were abandoned when it came time for SNW. Kurtzman Trek has blinked on multiple occasions. Let alone how you go from PICARD season 1 to season 3!

Yeah, the same is true for all of Trek. There is a constant reinvention going on in makeup, sets, concepts, and characters. None of which indicates a different "timeline". Trek has blinked so many times it could cause a 32nd Century hologram to breakdown.

 

[BillJ]

Lost me as EAS and graphs.
Yeah, the same is true for all of Trek. There is a constant reinvention going on in makeup, sets, concepts, and characters. None of which indicates a different "timeline". Trek has blinked so many times it could cause a 32nd Century hologram to breakdown.

That is why I'm to the point of, just tell me a good story.

 

[fireproof78]

I have no issue with people who watch the shows and go, "yes, I can see how this all fits together", I have an issue with the laziness behind "but, CBS says!!!"

Both are true for me.

Without the dictates (numerous for some reason) of it being Prime from CBS, I wonder how many people would still feel these shows are "Prime"?

I would.

But i don't regard TMP as Prime.

This is the way it should be. Seemingly, though, for a lot of viewers, it feels like where the show is taking place is more important than the quality of the show itself.

Indeed. A lot of it is coming across like Christopher Tolkien focusing on the color of the door or Frodo's eyes when proofreading his dad's work.

Lost me as EAS and graphs.

Same.

Yeah, the same is true for all of Trek. There is a constant reinvention going on in makeup, sets, concepts, and characters. None of which indicates a different "timeline". Trek has blinked so many times it could cause a 32nd Century hologram to breakdown.

Indeed. The idea that it all holds together perfectly, or near perfectly, is willingly buying in to the changes and investing in the illusion rather than hunting for the seams and strings.

 

[BillJ]

But i don't regard TMP as Prime.

TMP, while I love the movie, has always been a leap for me to see as being the continuation of TOS. I enjoy the story it tells.

 

[Finn]

Lost me as EAS and graphs.
Yeah, the same is true for all of Trek. There is a constant reinvention going on in makeup, sets, concepts, and characters. None of which indicates a different "timeline". Trek has blinked so many times it could cause a 32nd Century hologram to breakdown.

One reason I don't take those sites seriously, like Memory Alpha and EAS seriously like some, is because they seem to take everything that has been said as gospel and too literally when certain lines were clearly said in jest, or just a term or most often, oversimplification.

 

[The Wormhole]

I am curious. Every TV show, movie and franchise has inconsistencies and discrepancies and retcons and whatever. How is it everyone can watch those without constantly screaming "alternate timeline!" at every turn like they do with Star Trek?

 

[fireproof78]

TMP, while I love the movie, has always been a leap for me to see as being the continuation of TOS. I enjoy the story it tells.

And it doesn't connect well with TOS or TWOK.

So, it stands apart snd since I don't enjoy the story and am not wowed by graphics it offers little.

 

[Nerys Myk]

TMP, while I love the movie, has always been a leap for me to see as being the continuation of TOS. I enjoy the story it tells.

If inclined, one could see it as the "start" of the Roddenverse Mark II*.

*AKA the Berman shows.

 

[Finn]

I am curious. Every TV show, movie and franchise has inconsistencies and discrepancies and retcons and whatever. How is it everyone can watch those without constantly screaming "alternate timeline!" at every turn like they do with Star Trek?

Like Raymond turning 36 twice in Everybody Loves Raymond (or something like that) IIRC

 

[BillJ]

I am curious. Every TV show, movie and franchise has inconsistencies and discrepancies and retcons and whatever. How is it everyone can watch those without constantly screaming "alternate timeline!" at every turn like they do with Star Trek?

Feel. No matter how one feels about the current shows, they are made by completely different people, with completely different experiences in a completely different world. We aren't who we were 57 years ago and it shows in SNW.

That doesn't make it a bad show, I think the first season is actually quite good until the last couple of episodes. It just doesn't mesh with TOS, for me.

 

[BillJ]

If inclined, one could see it as the "start" of the Roddenverse Mark II*.

*AKA the Berman shows.

I tend to group it with TOS/TAS because, in my mind, it doesn't really fit anywhere else. But it isn't a good fit.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There are those who go by what TPTB say on the matter. That every show and film, save for the Kelvin films, is part of the Prime timeline.

That's always been my view.

I can enjoy, or not enjoy, as I see fit, but only the people making [thing] have any right to say what [thing] IS.

If TPTB say it's prime, it's prime, and it's not my place to question.

 

[Lord Garth]

Feel. No matter how one feels about the current shows, they are made by completely different people, with completely different experiences in a completely different world. We aren't who we were 57 years ago and it shows in SNW.

That doesn't make it a bad show, I think the first season is actually quite good until the last couple of episodes. It just doesn't mesh with TOS, for me.

Exactly my take.

We aren't who we were 57 years ago

57 years ago... Whoever I was in a Previous Life definitely agrees with you.

 

[fireproof78]

I am curious. Every TV show, movie and franchise has inconsistencies and discrepancies and retcons and whatever. How is it everyone can watch those without constantly screaming "alternate timeline!" at every turn like they do with Star Trek?

Subjective feelings. Something that can't ever be articulated but it is somehow known. It is confusing as balls but that's the nature of the world I guess.

 

[BillJ]

If TPTB say it's prime, it's prime, and it's not my place to question.

So if Pike ends up surviving his upcoming accident and CBS still says its Prime, then you're good?

 

[BillJ]

Subjective feelings. Something that can't ever be articulated but it is somehow known. It is confusing as balls but that's the nature of the world I guess.

As Kirk once said, sometimes a feeling is all we have to go on.

 

[fireproof78]

As Kirk once said, sometimes a feeling is all we have to go on.

As Spock would say, "Most illogical."

 

[BillJ]

As Spock would say, "Most illogical."

It is entertainment. It isn't supposed to be logical. At its very core, it works off our emotions, which is why CBS says it is Prime every chance it gets.

 

[Finn]

So if Pike ends up surviving his upcoming accident and CBS still says its Prime, then you're good?

He did

 

[BillJ]

He did

I used the operative "if". I'm posing a possible scenario because Mount is a very popular piece of the franchise and we know how Trek fans can't let characters go.