I like this enthusiastic reply. It was quite a kickass moment indeed.Fucking right I agreed with it.
One of the ultimate HELL YEAH! moments in Trek.
What did you think of Kirk kicking Kruge to his death?
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Didn’t Kirk somewhat offer to save Kruge?
The torpedo effects of that film were interesting. Could Scotty have weakened the torps. He said he didn’t expect a battle…maybe toros on a EMP setting against ant Fed pursuit.
Kruge’s shot was also underpowered out of an abundance of caution after Grissom flew apart so easily. Though BoPs evoke a Soviet sub or U-Boat look…they are British in punching above their weight.
Kruge could have come from above and behind with the BoP wing disruptors about the same spacing as Freddie nacelles…the tube could hit impulse and bridge both from 6 O’clock high.
Kruge wanted prisoners though— and that tube looked more like a heavy disruptor with Chang’s more a true torpedo tube.
In TWOK those might have been mid power. Lursa met her fate with a TMP type super-bolt stern shot from the Ent-D.
The torpedo effects of that film were interesting. Could Scotty have weakened the torps. He said he didn’t expect a battle…maybe toros on a EMP setting against ant Fed pursuit.
Kruge’s shot was also underpowered out of an abundance of caution after Grissom flew apart so easily. Though BoPs evoke a Soviet sub or U-Boat look…they are British in punching above their weight.
Kruge could have come from above and behind with the BoP wing disruptors about the same spacing as Freddie nacelles…the tube could hit impulse and bridge both from 6 O’clock high.
Kruge wanted prisoners though— and that tube looked more like a heavy disruptor with Chang’s more a true torpedo tube.
In TWOK those might have been mid power. Lursa met her fate with a TMP type super-bolt stern shot from the Ent-D.
Totally justifiable use of Stand Your Ground or should I say Kick You Down To The Ground. It was not only warranted for what Kruge put Kirk through but obviously meant to be for comic relief as I remember the first time I saw TSFS in the theater the audience laughed with each punctuated boot to the face and then cheering when he went sailing down.
The only one crazy thing about this scene I do remember though is when it was aired on regular TV, they edited out the last part where Kruge hits the lava and flames out, much like was done in most airings of victims falling in fire in a broadcast Irwin Allen disaster movie. I guess the network censors were ok with someone getting repeatedly pummeled in the face but not the one second shot of them getting burned up.
The only one crazy thing about this scene I do remember though is when it was aired on regular TV, they edited out the last part where Kruge hits the lava and flames out, much like was done in most airings of victims falling in fire in a broadcast Irwin Allen disaster movie. I guess the network censors were ok with someone getting repeatedly pummeled in the face but not the one second shot of them getting burned up.
Burning falls in a different category.
Any sensible person would do the same. As McCoy observed, Kirk turned "...death into a fighting chance to live"--in that case, Kruge only guaranteed death, while Kirk was a relentless survivalist, doing what was necessary for his friends.
I'm certain some would have preferred Kirk to stand there--as the Genesis planet was ripping itself apart--and go on and on about "our values as members of the Federation", drink tea and bore Kruge into surrendering.
Well, both were soldiers. Kruge had little hope of defeating Kirk in the scenario where he would grab Kirk's hand and meekly get pulled up: he was quite the muscleman, yet had not managed to wrestle Kirk to submission in the fight so far. Kirk would also be the first in a contest for one of the guns lying around, having the literal drop on Kruge. Surely it would be logical for Kruge to do exactly what he did, to ensure Kirk's death as was his duty?
Kirk just felt differently about his duty, only killing Kruge in self-defense rather than as part of his mission and profession. (One wonders what the Klingon Ambassador in the next movie really meant with his "There will be no peace"? Had there been a declared war ongoing back in this one already? At least from the Klingon POV?)
Timo Saloniemi
Kirk just felt differently about his duty, only killing Kruge in self-defense rather than as part of his mission and profession. (One wonders what the Klingon Ambassador in the next movie really meant with his "There will be no peace"? Had there been a declared war ongoing back in this one already? At least from the Klingon POV?)
Timo Saloniemi
No further argument required.
Kirk was under no obligation to aid Kruge, and he tried to anyway. Kruge responded by trying to kill Kirk, and Kirk killed him. No sane jury would convict him.
It used to make me cringe. Not because he was killing the baddie, but the dialogue in time with the kicks.
This was when I was a lad.
Now I'm a parent, if Kruge killed my daughter or my son, he's going in the lava, without that initial offer of an olive branch.
This was when I was a lad.
Now I'm a parent, if Kruge killed my daughter or my son, he's going in the lava, without that initial offer of an olive branch.
Kirk tried to save him after everything that happened. Kruge tried to kill him so Kirk defended himself. What else was he supposed to do?
I have a far bigger problem with the needless destruction of Nero and his crew in the 2009 film. He was already about to meet his doom. The fire all weapons part just came off as vengeful and blood thirsty.
Duck, here comes the ones saying he deserved it!
Given that the Narada had already survived one trip through such a quantum singularity, I understood the need to ensure it didn't survive another.
Kirk did offer to rescue Nero's crew and Nero told him to piss off. The only difference is that Nero didn't grab for Kirk's foot, though he probably would have if the opportunity had presented itself.
What was I saying?
I didn't say he deserved it. I think PrimeKirk and PrimeSpock probably would have beamed aboard the Narada's crew without asking first (or letting Nero speak for them), but these versions still have some maturing to do.
Fair enough.
Exactly. It's not perfectly handled but based upon.the information Kirk knew he did what was necessary.
Kirk: "Your ship is compromised. You are too close to the singularity to survive without assistance."
Spock asks Kirk then what they are doing, Kirk says he is showing compassion and thought Spock would like that. Spock replies "no, not really".
Kirk fires all weapons on Nero's ship, again, overkill.
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