Aren't we allowed a cross-over once in a while? What if you wish to make a comparison between the two?
What did you think of Kirk kicking Kruge to his death?
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Aren't we allowed a cross-over once in a while? What if you wish to make a comparison between the two?
And there probably are (as Kirk notes in ST 09 when Spock maroons him). Kirk, and Spock and Uhura were all emotionally compromised at the moment. But, yes if it wasn't a black op I would imagine the group would be court martialed.
Can't cross the streams.
Yeah, and next time someone asks you if you are a god, you say "YES!".
one should consider that Kruge still thinks that Kirk has the upper hand, being in command of a fully crewed and functional far superior vessel. He probably wants to keep Kirk depressed and feeling beaten and doesn’t want to anger him to the point he forgets about the other two hostages and blows the BoP out of the skyes.
I thought Kruge pretty much deserved the good kick to the head to his firey doom not just because he had David executed or whatever.
Kruge was stubborn like any other Klingon at the time. They wouldnt listen to reason about the Genesis project thinking it was a weapon anyway.
Plus even though David intervened in the main 3's execution choosing, at least he died a hero and died during a brawl/knife fight and not being disintegrated from a Klingon Disruptor pistol
Kruge was stubborn like any other Klingon at the time. They wouldnt listen to reason about the Genesis project thinking it was a weapon anyway.
Plus even though David intervened in the main 3's execution choosing, at least he died a hero and died during a brawl/knife fight and not being disintegrated from a Klingon Disruptor pistol
"I...(kick)...have HAD (kick) ...enough of ...(kick) YOU!" (still doesn't let go).
"You god.. (kick) ...DAMNED (kick) Klingon (kick) BASTARD! (Kick) Let! (kick) GO!!!" (KICK)
Kruge finally falls.
I think the kicks were increasing in strength. In the last one, Kirk put everything he got.
Umm.... I didn't think about it at all. Kirk had enough of Kruge, so did I, it was a movie made in the '80s, and the Bad Guy died.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
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Honestly, Kruge had it coming. Let's see... USS Grissom destroyed (lucky shot or no, he did order his gunner to fire), killed David, wanted to use the Genesis device as a weapon... yeah, getting sent to Gre'Thor (sorry if I misspelled that) via Jim Kirk seemed all too appropriate.
He died fighting in battle, after all. Whether he was on the "right" side in that battle or not shouldn't make any difference in Klingon theology. Combatants on both sides go to Sto'Vo'Kor, so Kruge automatically goes to Sto'Vo'Kor too. Of course, there was never any indication that the TOS and TOS movie Klingons actually believed in any of this stuff. They were analogous to real-world totalitarian regimes that didn't believe in religion.
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I loved it and still do. It was the perfect cap to an 80's action scene and one of few times we got a "one liner" villain death blow from our Trek heroes. It's also really funny. Shatner plays Kirk's frustration perfectly. He offers his hand, Kruge grabs his ankle instead. Shatner shakes his head as if to say "are you for real?"
Kirk was perfectly motivated and the reasons have all been stated above.
Great cap to a very Kirk centric film.
Kirk was perfectly motivated and the reasons have all been stated above.
Great cap to a very Kirk centric film.
Yeah, at least from what we've been told about Sto'Vo'Kor, Kruge would qualify for entry because he died in battle. Ditto for his crew. There was never any differentiation between the 'good' guys or the 'bad.'
Yeah, no one can blame Kirk for his response. Certainly he's entitled to protect his own life against Kruge. Just because he aired his 'frustration' while saving his own life doesn't mean it's wrong. And who can blame him. Shatner can sometimes go over the top but in that case I think he played it perfectly.
indeed. And this movie has some of the best Shatner acting ever, anyway.
Yeah, both 2 and 3, and most of 4 he was anywhere from good to really good.
He kinds of went off the rails in V, VI and Generations. He seems to get more of a pass for VI because the movie is generally well received, but the ham factor went way up starting with V.
I really don't see his acting being too hammy in Generations.
Well, V was undoubtedly the worse. He got a little better after that, but not as good as he was in the first 4 movies.
I blame the director.
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