What can Star Trek film series learn from other popular sci movie series?

[The Overlord]

The last Star Trek film was something of a financial disappointment. But we have seen other popular sci fi film series do well, from Star Wars to various comic book movies.

Sure Star Wars was always a bigger name in movies then Star Trek, but consider something like Guardians of the Galaxy, an obscure C-list team from Marvel comics, their first did amazing numbers and the sequel is tracking to get a big opening weekend.

What can Star Trek film series learn from other popular sci movie series?

 

[Smellmet]

The last Star Trek film was something of a financial disappointment. But we have seen other popular sci fi film series do well, from Star Wars to various comic book movies.

Sure Star Wars was always a bigger name in movies then Star Trek, but consider something like Guardians of the Galaxy, an obscure C-list team from Marvel comics, their first did amazing numbers and the sequel is tracking to get a big opening weekend.

What can Star Trek film series learn from other popular sci movie series?

It's no secret Paramount were looking to a Guardians of the Galaxy type adventure for Beyond.

 

[Nyotarules]

It's no secret Paramount were looking to a Guardians of the Galaxy type adventure for Beyond.

What happened to that?

 

[Smellmet]

It was just a soundbite, thankfully.

 

[BillJ]

They can learn to not copy other studios successful properties.

 

[Cyke101]

It always seemed odd to me that Star Trek IV came a year after the massive success of Back to the Future. I mean, it's a fun movie, but fish out of water time travel movies -- while they were certainly around -- hadn't been as popular in a long time before BttF.

 

[Smellmet]

It always seemed odd to me that Star Trek IV came a year after the massive success of Back to the Future. I mean, it's a fun movie, but fish out of water time travel movies -- while they were certainly around -- hadn't been as popular in a long time before BttF.

I guess they put an original enough story into it, enough that it didn't come across as a rip off. Besides, time travel was already established in Trek by this point. The two movies are both very different, but I see what you're driving at.

 

[Cyke101]

I guess they put an original enough story into it, enough that it didn't come across as a rip off. Besides, time travel was already established in Trek by this point. The two movies are both very different, but I see what you're driving at.

Yeah. I mean, it's clever of them (and good for us continuity geeks) to use a time travel method from TOS to go back to 1986, but oddly the timing of the plot itself, to me at least, is a bit suspicious. I wouldn't say ripoff per se*, but even something like the term "inspired" can have so many connotations.

*But hey, that iconic shot of Spock swimming with the whales could've been their Enchantment Under the Sea dance!

 

[BillJ]

Yeah. I mean, it's clever of them (and good for us continuity geeks) for using a time travel mechanic from TOS to go back to 1986, but oddly the timing of the concept itself, to me at least, is a bit suspicious. I wouldn't say ripoff per se*, but even something like the term "inspired" can have so many connotations.

Even if they were copying Back to the Future, they weren't going around stating that was the plan.

 

[Galileo7]

A Star Trek film every two years with lower budgets to take more risks with the scripts. The Star Trek universe is vast and should be explored in stories that will appeal to both ST fans and young moviegoers that have never watched any of the series. Hero films of Marvel and the James Bond OO7 [a '62 film franchise older than ST] can deliver a billion dollar box office for a single film release. Star Trek films need to find their billion dollar box office. It might be time to walk away from the J.J. films completed trilogy and reboot completely.

 

[Cyke101]

Even if they were copying Back to the Future, they weren't going around stating that was the plan.

Yeah, though I don't think many movies go around doing that anyway, no matter how much they ride another's coattails or "borrow" aspects from other franchises.

I very much like Star Trek IV, and I'm fine with movies being inspired by other works, as long as there's enough of a difference. Fiction begets more fiction and that's okay, but execution matters.

 

[BillJ]

It might be time to walk away from the J.J. films completed trilogy and reboot completely.

Or, it might be time to admit that Star Trek simply is never going to play in the big leagues the way it used to.

 

[Galileo7]

Or, it might be time to admit that Star Trek simply is never going to play in the big leagues the way it used to.

You might be right. I just hope that it can be a successful film franchise, that happens if and only if it appeals to the mass audience like Star Wars, James Bond, Marvel films, et.al including the young movie going public.

The '60s-'70s television series Mission:Impossible was rebooted into a successful film franchise twenty years ago. I do not think that this franchise would have survived without a massive reboot. Maybe, Star Trek needs another reboot after three J.J. films. Like in the James Bond films "rebooted" with every new actor playing OO7.

 

[Khan 2.0]

I guess they put an original enough story into it, enough that it didn't come across as a rip off. Besides, time travel was already established in Trek by this point. The two movies are both very different, but I see what you're driving at.

it vexes me that until recently I hadn't noticed the Doc Browns ship being used as a time machine thing (back to the same year almost)

 

[Galileo7]

Another extremely successful reboot of a '60s series that worked, by Marvel.

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[Tenacity]

What can Star Trek film series learn from other popular sci movie series?

Don't separate your movies by four years.

In addition to movies with the whole group, do stand alones with just one or two of the main characters.

Do movies in the Trek universe with totally new characters, like Rogue One.

Slow down the pace occasionally, a little quiet time to learn about the characters.

Secondary characters whose purpose isn't just to get killed.

 

[Galileo7]

Don't separate your movies by four years.

In addition to movies with the whole group, do stand alones with just one or two of the main characters.

Do movies in the Trek universe with totally new characters, like Rogue One.

Slow down the pace occasionally, a little quiet time to learn about the characters.

Secondary characters whose purpose isn't just to get killed.

Absolutely agree, this is the way to reboot/rebuild the Star Trek film franchise.

 

[Dales]

do you think star trek can take a batman/x-men movie approach where they dont need to put the trek title in the film.

Deadpool

Logan

The Dark Knight

The Dark Knight Rises.

I think it may be a better way to market the next trek movie

 

[Galileo7]

do you think star trek can take a batman/x-men movie approach where they dont need to put the trek title in the film.

Deadpool

Logan

The Dark Knight

The Dark Knight Rises.

I think it may be a better way to market the next trek movie

I know that Enterprise was later changed to Star Trek:Enterprise because that did not help on television, but on film it might help. The James Bond films all have different titles too.

 

[Tenacity]

Star Trek: Into Darkness should have been titled "Skyfall."