And the whole point of the exercise is those elements aren't (or don't have to be) exclusive to Prime.
What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?
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I am curious as to how anyone could define what a "Prime element" is, and make it distinct from a "Kelvin element."
Well in 2255 in the Kelvin universe, the Enterprise was 3 years away from launching, Kirk and co. were only heading to the Academy, and Marcus was C&C of Starfleet instead of Nogura.
If we see one Constitution class far closer to the Prime universe version, Pike is already commanding Enterprise in space etc then we know which one it's in.
However, if they want to change the aesthetic look of the universe anyway, then nothing in terms of technology, uniforms, etc will give much of a clue, as it'll all be revamped to look new.
Which means random name drops every few episodes might be the only real tie to the old contintuity, everything else is going to be unfamiliar.
If we see one Constitution class far closer to the Prime universe version, Pike is already commanding Enterprise in space etc then we know which one it's in.
However, if they want to change the aesthetic look of the universe anyway, then nothing in terms of technology, uniforms, etc will give much of a clue, as it'll all be revamped to look new.
Which means random name drops every few episodes might be the only real tie to the old contintuity, everything else is going to be unfamiliar.
HEY NOW!!! It could be a Rocket Richard limited edition Canadian quarter from 1978--that is definitely NOT meaningless.
HEY NOW!!! It could be a Rocket Richard limited edition Canadian quarter from 1978--that is definitely NOT meaningless.
I thought you guys were still bartering bear rugs and oxen steaks.
MOOSE steaks. Jeez. If you're going to make fun of a country, pick the proper goddam stereotypes.I thought you guys were still bartering bear rugs and oxen steaks.
MOOSE steaks. Jeez. If you're going to make fun of a country, pick the proper goddam stereotypes.
Honestly: This quote kind of explains your attitude. If you think TNG was a reboot of TOS, than it's clear why you think STD will be another reboot.
But the truth is: TNG wasn't a reboot. Not even a re-tooling. It was something that was very popular back then: A "Next Generation" type of show. You have them a lot. Degrassi: THe next generation. Baywatch: The next generation. And Star Trek. It's basically the same premise as the original (in this case: starship exploting the universe), but with new actors and new characters. Star Trek: TNG did a lot right there, in that it didn't try to copy the original, but had many changes and additions, so that it stood firmly on it's own.
STD will be probably somewhat similar: Same basic concept (people on a starship, in the future). But this time it will be a prequel show. Like ENT was (and I predict it will have a few of the same problems as TNG).
Personally I would have prefered some kind of Next Next Generation show (aka a post-VOY/post-NEM show). But that's personal opinion. That it would be prime universe (in whatever form - I would have predicted either a post-NEM or a "lost era" between TOS/TNG show, the actual setting did surprise me) had nothing to do with that.
But that tv-Trek would return to the prime universe - in whatever timeframe - I thought that was pretty obvious, and my many comments explaining the reasoning thor that in the old thread (titled "the new series will not be set in the JJverse") can prove that. And I stand by what I said there.
Agreed. I think he'll put in many things from the tos era. He'll also make the look of the show different but similar enough to be able to be a part if the tos.prime universe.
Full disclosure: I expected a Kelvinverse show but don't care either way (to me, Trek's time travel has created a whole whack of universes--it's ALL Star Trek as far as I'm concerned).
Let's ponder the way being "prime" might actually matter and consider the likelihood it will matter in the series:
In the end, the series could occur in either universe and it wouldn't matter in any substantial sense. The rest is just window dressing.
Let's ponder the way being "prime" might actually matter and consider the likelihood it will matter in the series:
- A visit from the future by someone from the TNG era.
- A visit to the future to Vulcan AFTER the date in which it was destroyed in the Kelvinverse.
- Specific interaction with Kirk on the Farragut.
- Specific interaction with Pike just before or after Talos IV incident.
In the end, the series could occur in either universe and it wouldn't matter in any substantial sense. The rest is just window dressing.
I'll only comment that TNG actually tried to replicate some elements of TOS in it's early seasons while trying to figure out the new crew ("Naked Now" anyone?). It just manage to find it's own way and become a next generation that had its own characters, rather than TOS 2.0.
As for Prime or Not Prime-I don't care. Give me interesting characters that I can identify and relate to. I don't need a fictional TV show to connect to current history for me to feel invested. The reason I like books like "Starship Troopers" or "Space Cadet" isn't because it is a part of Earth's history. I enjoy it because of the characters.
As for Prime or Not Prime-I don't care. Give me interesting characters that I can identify and relate to. I don't need a fictional TV show to connect to current history for me to feel invested. The reason I like books like "Starship Troopers" or "Space Cadet" isn't because it is a part of Earth's history. I enjoy it because of the characters.
You don't know what elements he's going to use. You're just guessing.
My guess is that, because he said he wanted to use Prime elements and chose the Prime timeline because of that, we'll see elements that are exclusive to Prime.
We'll all find out when it airs.
Mr Awe
I remember your comments specifically in that thread, Rahul. I even commented that you made a very cogent case!
Mr Awe
Except for the fact that Fuller stated that he wanted to use Prime elements and that's why he chose that universe. Soooooo, it will probably matter.
Mr Awe
Well it really can't be either universe. In the nutrek universe nuKirk became captain about 10 years before prime kirk which.is about the same time period as discovery. Since pike in charge.its definitely the prime uni.
I just don't know what to say. You do realize, that when they reboot a property, they don't throw everything away. All or most of the elements are still there, usually just rearranged and updated a bit.
Said a whackadoodle that murdered her own crew just for a plot to take over a ship.
Why do you do that Bill? You really believed that nutbar was denied being a captain because of the glass ceiling and not the insanity? They have a hard time keeping them from going off the deep end, I don't think they like to start them off that way.
But, let's not make a whole thing about this, it's been thoroughly discussed in many TOS threads. I'm just surprised you still think it's definitive.
I am also surprised about your prejudices against the disabled and Canadians.
Canadians are the most inoffensive of creatures, with their two fours and back bacon, and tuques. They are mostly harmless.
I remember your comments specifically in that thread, Rahul. I even commented that you made a very cogent case!
Mr Awe
Yeah, if you could go ahead and use the Multi-Quote feature, that'd be great. Thanks.
