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What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?
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This is what's funny - Fuller's rationale is to avoid conflicts with the live, ongoing continuity of current day Trek by using an old continuity that's finished - fossilized, in effect. Whatever he overwrites will never be contradicted by future oldTrek, because there will be none.
Hell, forget alternate universes and retcons for a second. Fuller could always smash the reset button, then have a character explicitly 'erase' all the future series in story. Think McCoy saving Edith Keeler, but without the 'undo' at the end of the episode.
TOS to Nemesis? Gone, or altered. Enterprise would be the only series left standing, and even that doesn't have to be 'safe.' All it would take was one little plot device, and a writer who doesn't give a fuck about angry emails.
Just think of the possibilities.
TOS to Nemesis? Gone, or altered. Enterprise would be the only series left standing, and even that doesn't have to be 'safe.' All it would take was one little plot device, and a writer who doesn't give a fuck about angry emails.
Just think of the possibilities.
The continued juvenile "I told you so" posts from various posters here, as if making the right choice with a 50/50 chance is some impressive achievement, are pretty sad and pathetic, as are the continued calls for those who were incorrect to come here and beg forgiveness for their transgressions, as if thinking the Prime Universe might not come back is some massive failing on their part. Who the hell cares? Can't you just enjoy that you're getting what you wanted (and what I wanted) without trying to elevate yourself over other fans over such petty and insignificant bullshit?
The reason for some fans, like me, feeling rather vindicated, is because some other 'fans' treated people with anything but respect during discussions about where the new TV series would be set.
Anyone claiming it would be prime would be met with negative posts, being ridiculous, silly, out of touch with reality, silly Cumbernope pictures etc. THEY were the ones being petty and yes they now get something in return for their behaviour and I'm loving it.
That seems reasonable and productive...
You'll reap what you sow.
So you admit to being petty in return? Okay, fine but then you have to accept criticism for your behaviour because "They did it first!" is not an excuse.
And let's be honest here, we all know it will not look or feel like the old tv shows and some of the people who are now dancing and celebrating the prime universe will start calling it PINO 30 minutes into the first episode.
Personally, I don't really care about where the show will be set. I did care about the smug attitude of some here who claimed it could never be prime and they still refuse to own up and are going on in their arrogant way as before.
And that Discovery will look different from anything that has come before? Great! Trek should renew itself.
And that Discovery will look different from anything that has come before? Great! Trek should renew itself.
As opposed to "turn the other cheek."
I don't like smugness in any form, but my reaction is not to be smug in return. It just seems odd to me.
Also, if Star Trek should "renew itself" then why does the label "Prime" matter?
It doesn't really. But the attitude of some that it absolutely couldn't be prime and that other people who thought differently were met with rather negative feedback (to put it mildly) was and is unacceptable.
I think the problem with this discussion is, that a lot of the people who “knew” it would be set in the prime universe, are somewhat dishonest now. Because I bet a lot of them meant “prime” as in “a continuation of TNG-Trek post Nemesis”. Sure, they were right about the prime universe part, but I don't recall anyone who seriously thought, it would be set pre-TOS.
What some people also seem to have forgotten is that there were (are?) a great many fans who decried Enterprise as taking place in an alternate universe as opposed to the prime timeline (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY), because the ship looked to new etc. etc. Even though the official line from TPTB was that it is set in the prime timeline – just as Fuller is saying now about Discovery.
Personally I couldn't care less which universe it will be part of. Even though I thought it more likely that it was set in the Kelvin Timeline, I never took part in these kind of discussions. And in fact I think the way some have discussed about it here was and is rather childish and petty.
What some people also seem to have forgotten is that there were (are?) a great many fans who decried Enterprise as taking place in an alternate universe as opposed to the prime timeline (TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY), because the ship looked to new etc. etc. Even though the official line from TPTB was that it is set in the prime timeline – just as Fuller is saying now about Discovery.
Personally I couldn't care less which universe it will be part of. Even though I thought it more likely that it was set in the Kelvin Timeline, I never took part in these kind of discussions. And in fact I think the way some have discussed about it here was and is rather childish and petty.
Personally, I hoped it would be set after Enterprise. To continue where that series left off. Forming of the Federation, Romulan War.
But the people who insisted it couldn't be prime weren't wrong depending on how you interpret "prime". Like M said, the vast majority of the people who wanted prime Trek wanted a continuation of the Berman era, setting it post Nemesis, dealing with Romulus destruction, possibly having guest appearances from TNG/DS9/VOY cast members etc.
I seriously doubt anyone wanting prime asked for a series that reinvents Star Trek, the main reason people wanted prime is because they wanted more of the old Trek and get away from the reinvented 23rd century and now we're getting a reinvented 23rd century just with a prime label slapped on ... so congrats on being right on a technical level despite getting the opposite of what they asked for?
LOL excuses, excuses.
Prime = prime. No matter how you spin it.
Prime = prime. No matter how you spin it.
This is like me asking for salami and getting cheese with a salami sticker on it and then pretending that this is exactly what I wanted all along.
As I said before, I give Discovery 30 minutes before the complaints by the prime fans start that it isn't the prime universe.
I also admit that I said before that the prime universe is dead and won't be used again and I stand by that opinion. This will for all intents and purposes be a new universe that's just labelled prime.
I just love the claims that it will be "Prime!!!", when Fuller has already admitted the show is going to be completely visually different from what we know of the era.
How much can truly change and it still be considered "Prime"? It is a serious question. Or are some folks simply in love with the word that they will unquestionably consider it "Prime", as long as the powers that be say it is? Regardless of the actual content of the show.
How much can truly change and it still be considered "Prime"? It is a serious question. Or are some folks simply in love with the word that they will unquestionably consider it "Prime", as long as the powers that be say it is? Regardless of the actual content of the show.
The timeline of Star Trek Discovery will be the prime universe. No matter how the show looks visually.
Here we are having a showrunner saying that show will be set in the prime time line, but people are still claiming the prime universe is dead.
Never knew it was that tough to admit you were wrong. Apparently it is.
Here we are having a showrunner saying that show will be set in the prime time line, but people are still claiming the prime universe is dead.
Never knew it was that tough to admit you were wrong. Apparently it is.
Like Meyer and Fuller said, they carefully selected the time period for both proximity to TOS and because the era was relatively unexplored. If the story tackles very specific events, then it shouldn't contradict TOS very much. I could imagine a very dramatic, almost introspective exploration of this Number One character as modern series are wont to do, and never really get into historical aspects that would annoy the canon Nazis.
That circles around to the question: if it has nothing to do with the actual universe, if it has no impact on the greater universe, then what does it matter if its set in the Prime timeline?
A lot of series today seem to get by on pure character driven drama..putting them through the ringer. The outside world almost doesn't seem to matter..I'm thinking of Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Mr Robot, and I'm sure many others. So if the show holds your interest in that regard, it'll probably work purely on character interest. Such a show might be lauded critically if done well too, but I'm sure a lot of Trekkies might miss the action-adventure part from that TOS "era". To be fair, Daredevil has quite a bit of derring-do in it.
