They look nothing alike.Are you sure about that?
What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?
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I dunno, they have saucers, and are made out of metal, and there these things that poke out the back...a glowing blue thing at the front ...and...
Ok. I got nothing. The kelvin timeline is literally named that because it's the divergence point. That means the kelvin is essentially prime anyway.
That and comparing roughly similar points in time, in the imagine universe of Star Trek, well, yeah that's gonna be similar.
Then we get to the fact that the things those ships have in common, they pretty much have in common with most of the starships ever seen in Star Trek...and yeah.
They have in common that they are Star Trek. Fuller is clearly telling porkie pies about Prime Timeline, unless they go back to models, optical printers, and finish everything late on a Friday night whilst jumping up and down to jog the machinery for that authentic sixties look. Oh..and no LEDs. Just hot bulbs and wood.
Are you sure about that?
Yes I'm sure. Honestly I don't see any resemblance. If you mean:
(A) The saucer, Discovery's saucer reminds me of the Oberth class' saucer. As in Prime universe.
(B) The colors, Kelvin's hull is white. It looks similar to the Discovery's hull color in these pics because of stupid lens-flares and filters.
(C) The engineering hull looks like a Warp Delta (ENT) or a D7 battlecruiser (TOS). Again Prime universe.
(D) The nacelles' bussard collectors have a beautiful Prime red color. Which seals the deal IMO.
A) the spine behind the bridge was first seen on the USS Kelvin and the ships sent to Vulcan in ST'09.
B)check out the identical saucer rim
C)Judging by the window rows, it's much bigger than the TOS Enterprise. The Kelvin and her sisters are likewise.
D)The Kelvin's is red also, ditto the ST'09 Vulcan fleet and the USS Franklin
And as others have pointed out, that command chair has more in common with the new Enterprise's than anything prime.
B)check out the identical saucer rim
C)Judging by the window rows, it's much bigger than the TOS Enterprise. The Kelvin and her sisters are likewise.
D)The Kelvin's is red also, ditto the ST'09 Vulcan fleet and the USS Franklin
And as others have pointed out, that command chair has more in common with the new Enterprise's than anything prime.
I'm fine with a visual upgrading of past eras. It's gotten to a point that if Trek wants to proceed forward with the rich background of the Prime Universe, some artistic license is in order. The previous series stand just fine if you're willing to see them as products of their times, but even TNG-era Trek is showing its age.
I guess it's like a psych test, cos the chair reminded me of the movie era ones, as reused in TNG. And bridge spine? That a feature of most starships in Trek.
I wonder if that video of the ship was made before they decided on the 10 year pre TOS setting. So it took on some Kelvin stylings?
Except it's not.
A) The pronounced spine behind the bridge was first seen in the Prime universe Miranda class.
B) The saucer rim is identical to the TMP Enterprise. Again Prime universe.
C) So judging by size the Enterprise-E is also a Kelvin universe ship. And the JJprise changes sizes depending the shot.
D) I was joking above and also the Kelvin's bussard collectors aren't red or orange. And besides the Kelvin (and Franklin) are ships from before Nero's temporal incursion.
E) The chair belongs to the Kelvin universe?!?
It's the Krime / Pelvin mash-up verse - covers all the bases, cannons, and is also known as the Fuller-verse!
And that the thing about STD: we get to discover it! (See what I did there!)
[saddestmoon gets coat, shows himself to the airlock]
And that the thing about STD: we get to discover it! (See what I did there!)
[saddestmoon gets coat, shows himself to the airlock]
In the story, it's the point where the timelines diverge. That's why they called it that. The Narada is also Prime, so is the Jellyfish, Red Matter and Nimoy Spock. Kelvin Timeline.
The backflips people are going through here to avoid taking Fuller at his word are astonishing. We know he's a Star Trek superfan -- you know, the kind who might just want to resurrect Prime Trek, if the sampling on this board are any indication -- and there's been perfectly valid legal reasons mentioned to have a CBS/Paramount Prime/Kelvin split.
Does anyone here really think there's some advantage to lying about this?
Does anyone here really think there's some advantage to lying about this?
Yes it is, actually.
Oh, wait, you're the one who doesn't acknowledge the existence of the new Abrams films. In that case this is a pointless conversation.
Aside from that. There are elements of the JJ movies that make them incompatible as a branch off of real Star Trek. If JJ Trek did exist it must be its own separate universe despite the appearance of familiar characters.
I would respectfully ask you to name those elements that you believe are incompatible.
Not anything more than Enterprise has done. Or TMP, for that matter.
And there is no "real" Star Trek. All make believe.
To be fair, one of the basic rules in what we might call speculative fiction, is that you can Dow whatever the hell you like, but it must maintain internal consistency. That's something Trek does fairly well. Which I suppose is the point.
It diverges when the Narada appears and makes with the boom and the stabby 'hi I'm Nero...have a spork' . Now, presumably you are talking about the way it kind of plays fast and loose with Treks extant time travel rules, and should therefore be eaten in a massive paradox, which I agree with...but they get two Spocks to technobabble it.
My position on the Kelvin Timeline has softened now it's named that and clearly isn't the only game in town. It's an endangered species.
No, it really doesn't and never has. They get the broad strokes right, sometimes.
