I like Giacchino's version the best, as it's married to the New Crew's theme in the same piece.
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I could only select Goldsmith's opening or Courage's, I'd have to say ''Sorry, Alex.''
What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?
I don't know about the rest of you, but if I could only select Goldsmith's opening or Courage's, I'd have to say ''Sorry, Alex.''
VOY's score is in my Top Four or Five of the franchise. Shame the series couldn't live up to its theme music.
VOY really got screwed hard by all the network interference. On paper, VOY had possibly the best premise out of all the spinoffs. And for me, the pilot is tied with DS9's as the best in the franchise.
In reality? It went back on a LOT of its premise almost immediately after the pilot, and had continued to be less than what we were expecting.
ENT has a lot of flaws and similarly didn't live up to its original premise, but at least it didn't fumble its premise as badly as VOY.
I see all three seasons of Picard as being the first season of three different shows.
used to be my favorite intro too. since we're fond of making lists on this forum:
best to worst intros in my opinion:
1: PRO (this is how to do it)
2: VOY (this was how to do it, and its score is better than PRO's)
3: SNW (I wish it was faster paced or it might be perfect. extra points for theremin sound)
4: LD (yeah? fight me)
5: TOS (still excellent. I don't skip this intro)
6: ENT (I was never crazy about Faith of the Heart but I guess like some sort of alien lesion it's grown on me)
7: TNG (just kind of dated and I never liked the theme music very much. there.. unorthodox opinion)
8: DISCO (it's interesting the first time, than its kind of boring)
9: TAS (it's.. ok. no.. no its not. the music is terrible department store music, the frame rate . ok I'll stop. people actually like this garbage)
9: DS9 (boring)
10: SA (boring.. i don't know if I ever watched the entire thing)
11: PIC (boring.. but curiously its better if you watch it to the opening credit music for Sanford and Son, try it)
PRO's theme is just fire. It also in my Top Five.
As much as I liked Starfleet Academy, the opening theme is just nothing.
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It reminds me a lot of the theme song for Spectre, in that it lacks any sort of a main, hummable melody, and sounds more like a regular piece of background score.
I dunno.
VOY: Its premise was a Starfleet ship trapped on the other side of the galaxy, trying to get home. In this, it succeeded in that general premise, because that's pretty much what happened. The main problem with the execution however, is that the Delta Quadrant was pretty much no different than the Alpha Quadrant, and the audience never really felt that the ship and crew were believably in any danger of losing supplies, weapons, energy, etc., and nobody was acting like being 70,000 ly away from Federation space was all that big a deal. Janeway would introduce herself as 'captain of the Federation starship Voyager' and these aliens of the week would act like they knew exactly what she was talking about. And any damage the ship sustained was magically repaired by the start of the next episode. So the premise was adhered to, but the implementation of that premise was lacking.
ENT: Ostensibly a show about the formation of the Federation, it was basically just two more seasons of Star Trek: Voyager with a different ship, crew and time period. Then a third season that was just a thinly veiled 911 allegory, and then a final season where we were hit over the head with both a TOS and TNG hammer. Truly a show that was trying to figure out what it was supposed to be about, despite its initial premise.
(Now granted ENT only got four seasons instead of seven, and had the show continued, there might have been more of a move toward its original premise, but then again we might just have gotten more of that status quo/episodic crap UPN couldn't seem to get past.)
I think Coto had found the mark with the multi-episode marks. Enough to draw viewers in but not so large that audiences of the time wouldn't have shied away from the commitment. It needed another season.
The formal beginning of the Earth-Romulan War, Shran joining the regular cast and getting Doug Drexler's NX-01 Refit design for the ship might not have set the Nielsens on fire, but might have provided a big creativity and energy boost for a series now entering its more elderly years.
My problem with that is that the Romulans in ENT were portrayed exactly like how they were portrayed in Star Trek: Nemesis. They even looked like the Romulans from Nemesis, because they reused all their costumes and props. They had very little depth, like most TNG-era Romulans, and were nothing like what we saw in "Balance of Terror" or "The Enterprise Incident." And I'm sure any portrayal of the Earth-Romulan war would have been just a generic space battle with ships that looked like they were straight out of a TNG film.
Here's the thing.
I would rather have a space adventure show with interesting and exciting stories than a Star Trek show that is in the minds of its creators true Star Trek.
Pretty much, by definition, interesting and exciting triumphs over everything else, including being true to Star Trek. If you have true Star Trek, but boring and dull, what do you have? Boring and dull.
This is where many iterations of the franchise have gone wrong.
Sure, it would be great to have the whole enchilada. What's the maxim? In a practical setting, you can choose two out of three, but not all three? This is where simplifying what it means to stay true to Star Trek really comes in handy. Don't overload the premise with so much baggage that you have to make the two out of three call. Solicit good science fiction stories, solicit good human drama regardless of origin, adapt them both.
And absolutely forget trying to connect the dots.
I would rather have a space adventure show with interesting and exciting stories than a Star Trek show that is in the minds of its creators true Star Trek.
Pretty much, by definition, interesting and exciting triumphs over everything else, including being true to Star Trek. If you have true Star Trek, but boring and dull, what do you have? Boring and dull.
This is where many iterations of the franchise have gone wrong.
Sure, it would be great to have the whole enchilada. What's the maxim? In a practical setting, you can choose two out of three, but not all three? This is where simplifying what it means to stay true to Star Trek really comes in handy. Don't overload the premise with so much baggage that you have to make the two out of three call. Solicit good science fiction stories, solicit good human drama regardless of origin, adapt them both.
And absolutely forget trying to connect the dots.
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The Enterprise-A would have made that journey over a lunch break.
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Sorry, I’m slowly going thru all the posts. But you are 100% correct.
Tbh, I had lunch with Gates and some Paramont folks back in the day (my company bought a lot of TV ads on Star Trek so they sent me up anytime we had to have a meeting as they knew I was a big fan) and she is just as uninspiring in person as she is with her acting. Zero charisma. And zero chemistry with any of the other actors. Horrible casting.
The DS9 theme is still the best piece of music in the franchise. I find it really hard to decide which version I prefer, but let's just say that when my ex and I still loved each other, we decided on the DS9 theme for when she walked down the aisle. I am so happy we never married, that theme would have been ruined for me.
I'm always going to think on the lines of the Earth Romulan War as Masao Okazaki envisioned it with really primitive ships (compared to ENT) fighting a slow terrible war.
But I know it wouldn't have been very cinematic, not that ENT really was, either.
Conceptually, it was originally supposed to be more like the 18th or 19th century British navy in space. You know, Horatio Hornblower and all that.
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