What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Jayson1]

Controversial opinion: I do not like the obsession Trek has with making being a starship captain the only career choice for characters as though they can never change.

They have moved away from that also it's not really been a big thing as I think people think. TNG you had only Riker with a desire to become Captain someday. Maybe Wesley but Wesley always seemed more into engineering. Granted we did see Dr Crusher become a Captain in "All Good Things" but that never felt like a strong desire. On DS9 you did have Worf switch to command and I guess maybe Nog also with a desire to become Captain.

Voyager I guess Kim was the only one who seemed like someone who would want to become Captain.

 

[BillJ]

But which Captain's Chair was the most comfortable to sit in?

Anybody got to sit in actual replica chairs?

Probably none of them. Though, in universe, people don’t chase it because it is the most comfortable chair on the bridge.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

80's was no doubt great for Star Trek but as a whole nah. Especially not what was in the mainstream.

THE A-TEAM???? It stole Bond dialogue. The best of George Peppard's still a lost cause. KNIGHT RIDER?!? Just the second best ever William Daniels show on TV, with a huge gap inbetween the two. I sense you were born far too late to appreciate the Pentagon of excellence: ALIEN, GODFATHER, EXORCIST, JAWS and Barry White's LOVE THEME. And no doubt I'm showing little regard for the Beatles, Bond, Batman and Barbara Bain, but how can you top the '70s cinematically?

 

[1001001]

Probably none of them. Though, in universe, people don’t chase it because it is the most comfortable chair on the bridge.

Unless Trip is rebuilding it.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I never saw it as totally that. The conversation in the Genesis Cave implies it wasn’t exactly

That was certainly the in-story explanation, but it reflected the portrayal of Kirk throughout TOS, being unattached out of duty but otherwise promiscuous, always ready to rationalize why he cannot commit. It reflected what Roddenberry wanted from his heroes and, indeed, in his own life. However, there is no reason to believe that families are necessarily broken should one member be in a service and are absent. People in the military marry and have families, sometimes through long separations. Most former Navy personnel started their families a little later, I will admit. However, one would have the wrong impression from Star Trek that serving on a ship, being away or dedicated to career, would make for a sad family life and damaged children. Indeed, young Marcus seems to have had a chip on his shoulder because dad was never around.

 

[kkt]

That was certainly the in-story explanation, but it reflected the portrayal of Kirk throughout TOS, being unattached out of duty but otherwise promiscuous, always ready to rationalize why he cannot commit. It reflected what Roddenberry wanted from his heroes and, indeed, in his own life. However, there is no reason to believe that families are necessarily broken should one member be in a service and are absent. People in the military marry and have families, sometimes through long separations. Most former Navy personnel started their families a little later, I will admit. However, one would have the wrong impression from Star Trek that serving on a ship, being away or dedicated to career, would make for a sad family life and damaged children. Indeed, young Marcus seems to have had a chip on his shoulder because dad was never around.

Sure, there are people in the military subject to duty where they'd be out of touch with their families for months. And we even have the advantage that you can get home from anyplace with an airport on earth within a day. However, the divorce rate is still quite high. There's no substitute for being there.

 

[knightgrace]

During the three years we see on TOS they went to Earth three times and Vulcan, another Federation core world twice.

Which implies a much higher typical speed, than what is usually talked about...

Consider that for centuries you reach a given high speed, then you finally figure out a faster speed...

No wonder Navigator Jose Tyler was so excited!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

However, the divorce rate is still quite high.

True, but that is also true for the modern public as well.

There's no substitute for being there.

Very true, being present counts for a lot.

 

[Turtletrekker]

"Were we together? Were we going to be?"

Carol had no illusions.

 

[cooleddie74]

The ENT, SNW and TOS Captain's Chairs look the most comfortable.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The ENT, SNW and TOS Captain's Chairs look the most comfortable.

Did you get a chance to visit the live TOS Set Museum?

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Apparently there is a modern recreated TOS set experience for people to tour in the Kingsland, GA (Georgia) area.

The place is called "Neutral Zone Studios"

 

[cooleddie74]

Nope, never been to the Museum. Hope to go someday!

 

[Firebird]

Neutral Zone Studios is the former Farragut Films studio, which was used for the Farragut and Star Trek Continues fan film series.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Neutral Zone Studios is the former Farragut Films studio, which was used for the Farragut and Star Trek Continues fan film series.

Have you visited the place yet?

 

[The Wormhole]

Scratching my head about Earth.

In "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," they went by accident through a time warp. Given their proximity to Pluto when they start breaking, I think it's reasonable to conclude that they probably went back to Earth for repairs after returning to the 23rd century.

However, in "Assignment: Earth," it's not necessarily the case that they were in the Solar System in the 23rd century. They could have exclusively exploited the black star that got them there the first time in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday." They never say, one way or the other.

What was the third time? "City'? The ship didn't go there, they went through the Guardian of Forever. Earth in "The Cage" was an illusion.

Yes, the third was City, I had a brain fart and forgot the ship itself didn't go to Earth in that episode.

As for the other two, admittedly this is probably my own conjecture, but I assumed in Tomorrow is Yesterday they were likely in proximity of the Sol system in order to end up at Earth in the past to begin with. Likewise with Assignment Earth I've always assumed they started off in 23rd century Sol system and traveled back in time from there, which IIRC the novels have also established.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yes, the third was City, I had a brain fart and forgot the ship itself didn't go to Earth in that episode.

As for the other two, admittedly this is probably my own conjecture, but I assumed in Tomorrow is Yesterday they were likely in proximity of the Sol system in order to end up at Earth in the past to begin with. Likewise with Assignment Earth I've always assumed they started off in 23rd century Sol system and traveled back in time from there, which IIRC the novels have also established.

I would agree, they were probably close enough to have gone to Earth easily, I would speculate.

 

[korblborp]

hey, does anybody remember what page our discussion of whether starfleet is a military a few months ago or not started? i want to link it to reddit. XD


semirelated controversial opinion: if you can't form coherent arguments against someone else's coherent arguments becasue you saw a couple of naked girl drawings in their post history, amongst dozens and dozens of posts NOT featuring them, engaging in conversation and rational discussion, and made a puritan's moral judgement and logical leaps, that's a you problem

 

[korblborp]

During the three years we see on TOS they went to Earth three times and Vulcan, another Federation core world twice.

to be fair, i don't think time travel incidents count as regular stopovers

 

[1001001]

semi related controversial opinion: if you can't form coherent arguments against someone else's coherent arguments becasue you saw a couple of naked girl drawings in their post history, amongst dozens and dozens of posts NOT featuring them, engaging in conversation and rational discussion, and made a puritan's moral judgement and logical leaps, that's a you problem

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Sure, there are people in the military subject to duty where they'd be out of touch with their families for months. And we even have the advantage that you can get home from anyplace with an airport on earth within a day. However, the divorce rate is still quite high. There's no substitute for being there.

While divorce in the military is high, it should not be a deal breaker. Statistics are inconsistent, but there are honorable careers, like nursing, where the rate of divorce is as high or higher. Moreover, divorce among officers is about the same as the whole civilian population. Finally, even if divorced, there is no reason Kirk could not be a successful father either as a divorcee or as just a single man. Indeed, there was clearly no need to think Picard could not have been a successful parent from the perspective of the 1980s, 1990s, 2020s, or 24th century. Attitudes changing led to support changing. As Nana Visitor underlined in her book, the idea of a man being involved in a child's life should not be commended, it should be expected.