10 Greatest Star Trek Moments in 2024.
The top two both surprised me and didn't remotely surprise me whatsoever.
The top two both surprised me and didn't remotely surprise me whatsoever.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I think I’m a real outlier with this one, but:
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I didn’t enjoy Reunification.
Beautifully done. Perhaps I’d go as far to say a near-peerless technical achievement. My greatest respect to Jules (who posts here) as it’s clear a lot of love went into it.
I just didn’t enjoy it. I feel like Data. I wish I could understand the very emotional response that it has garnered, because it left me cold.
Controversial Opinion
I didn’t enjoy Reunification.
Beautifully done. Perhaps I’d go as far to say a near-peerless technical achievement. My greatest respect to Jules (who posts here) as it’s clear a lot of love went into it.
I just didn’t enjoy it. I feel like Data. I wish I could understand the very emotional response that it has garnered, because it left me cold.
Same here. Nice visual gimmicks, but what the hell was happening???
The only dialogue spoken is Wrath of Khan's "there's always possibilities" and that if Genesis is the possibility of "life from death," Kirk and everything and everyone else never truly are dead.
I interpreted the short-film as Kirk in some sort of afterlife, wearing the uniform variant he was killed in during Generations, seeing Savik and old friends who are there too, before coming to the dead character from Discovery's later seasons (dressed in the TNG season 1-2 uniform) that Kovich stated was from the Kelvin Universe.
That character helps him transition to a place in-between, where he sees all the versions of himself, before moving on to the Kelvin Universe to be with Spock (in spirit) in Spock's final moments, so he can help him boldly go on to their next adventure, beyond life, together.
I also think there's a subtle nod to Star Trek V. A key plot point in that movie is Kirk's sad statement that he "knows" he'll die alone. And he did. Picard was with him. But he was separated from everything he knew and all his friends at the end.
And somehow, in this, Kirk didn't want Spock to suffer that fate. He traversed time, space, life, death and the universe to be there with his closest friend so he wouldn't be all alone.
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TOS Klingons were clever and cunning but the movie and later versions suck.
Kirk never broke the Prime Directive as it does not apply to cultures that are not growing. Picard and Riker didn’t follow it in Penpals and should have helped that girl from the start.
TOS was better without Rand.
The Shakespeare episode is one of the best.
Season 3 is not as bad as people make out.
Movie Kirk is out of character, especially the idea that he would have a secret son that he never sees or mentions.
TWoK is very over rated.
Data is a flop copy of Spock with the not understanding basic human phrases and emotions thing way overdone.
The borg are not that interesting and should have not be used beyond a TNG 2 parter.
TNG is very over rated and a lot of the episodes have very formulaic and predictable plots.
Pulaski is miles better than Crusher.
Dukat in the final episodes of DS9 is entertaining, if a bit silly.
Jadzia is annoying and brings up Dax’s previous hosts too much. Ezri is the better character.
Garak/Bashir is practically canon, same for Kirk/Spock.
They were wrong not to kill off Harry Kim after the first season.
Tuvix didn’t want to be separated and it’s horrifying the crew just stands back and allows it to happen against his will.
The worst Trek episode ever is the Enterprise one where there make a pineapple cake for Malcom simply for being incredibly boring.
Uhura was an engineer and not a linguist and it makes sense that she could not speak Klingon. Making her a human universal translator in the reboot was a huge downgrade.
George Takei was right to find making Sulu gay lazy. It should have been Kirk or Spock being bi.
The franchise is going to burn itself out again in the next 10 years if they don’t stop writing out any interesting new character in favour of being back decrepit legacy ones.
Kirk never broke the Prime Directive as it does not apply to cultures that are not growing. Picard and Riker didn’t follow it in Penpals and should have helped that girl from the start.
TOS was better without Rand.
The Shakespeare episode is one of the best.
Season 3 is not as bad as people make out.
Movie Kirk is out of character, especially the idea that he would have a secret son that he never sees or mentions.
TWoK is very over rated.
Data is a flop copy of Spock with the not understanding basic human phrases and emotions thing way overdone.
The borg are not that interesting and should have not be used beyond a TNG 2 parter.
TNG is very over rated and a lot of the episodes have very formulaic and predictable plots.
Pulaski is miles better than Crusher.
Dukat in the final episodes of DS9 is entertaining, if a bit silly.
Jadzia is annoying and brings up Dax’s previous hosts too much. Ezri is the better character.
Garak/Bashir is practically canon, same for Kirk/Spock.
They were wrong not to kill off Harry Kim after the first season.
Tuvix didn’t want to be separated and it’s horrifying the crew just stands back and allows it to happen against his will.
The worst Trek episode ever is the Enterprise one where there make a pineapple cake for Malcom simply for being incredibly boring.
Uhura was an engineer and not a linguist and it makes sense that she could not speak Klingon. Making her a human universal translator in the reboot was a huge downgrade.
George Takei was right to find making Sulu gay lazy. It should have been Kirk or Spock being bi.
The franchise is going to burn itself out again in the next 10 years if they don’t stop writing out any interesting new character in favour of being back decrepit legacy ones.
Yeah, Sulu's daughter is born before even TMP happens yet she never gets an onscreen mention for 22 more years in-universe.
McCoy is a borderline alcoholic bitter divorcee. It suits his character that he would not want to discuss things. He’s also the counsellor for the crew and might want to keep his own issues to himself for that reason as well.
Spock was pretty tight lipped about the Vulcan Ambassador being his father until the last minute and more of a private guy in general.
Besides, aren’t both of them beta canon and not confirmed in alpha canon?
The poster mentioned Sulu's daughter, not Spock's. Sulu's daughter is very much in canon as she appeared in Generations.
I agree to a certain degree.
Definitely not interesting and very overrated.
Definitely agree on this one. Movie Kirk often feels like a completely different character for how he behaves.
Whoops, I misread. Sulu’s daughter not being mentioned is not that bad as Sulu’s personal life is not explored as much as Kirk’s. It’s also implied that David had no relationship with Kirk while Demora has followed Sulu into Starfleet. Kirk cared about his brother and nephew in TOS which makes it more jarring.
David also does nothing and then dies at the start of the next movie. It wouldn’t be so bad if his character actually served a purpose.
Well, his research did bring Spock back to life. So, he kind of did something.
Plus, the whole heroic sacrifice thing. But, yes, that Kirk did not have a relationship with his son always struck me as odd, and made more difficult by the line "I did what you wanted; I stayed away." Not sure how that was beneficial to the character.
McCoy's daughter was mentioned in TAS. I know that TAS's canonical status hasn't always been clear, but I think it's generally considered canon these days?
I don't really mind Keiko. I think the way they chose to introduce her into Trek was bad, but I don't hate Keiko herself like some seem to.
I saw it as an upgrade from space telephone operator.
She fixes her panel in one episode and Spock tells her no one else is more qualified to do it. She also very briefly sits in the captains chair.
I agree. It was quite a thing to behold in terms of HOW it was made. No emotions were touched here though.
Not during TOS, but I agree that Uhura was the ship's top technician if not a full engineer (specializing in communications equipment). Further proof is found in The Gamesters of Triskelion:
Chekov was there for the astrogation stuff and Uhura was there for the communications stuff. Probably the only ones more qualified would be Spock and Scotty, but due to the routine nature of the job, both were left up on the ship. Why Kirk would go is anyone's guess? Maybe he was needed to provide the command codes to access the facilities or something.
No, it is once during TOS in the third season in a blink and you’ll miss it moment. The crew returns from a planet and Uhura can be seen getting out of the chair at the side of the screen. I remember being very surprised as no one ever mentions it.
(I realise that’s not very helpful but I’ll post a screencap next time I do a rewatch)
I didn't like the way they used Rand in the series, save in certain episodes like "Charlie X". And they pretty much led the character into a dead-end with the idea that she and Kirk had secret feelings for each other. This creates so many problems if you want Kirk to have different romances during the series. Rand could have been so much better...
Agree. It may have a greater proportion of mediocre episodes compared with the other seasons. But good episodes were really good.
Garak/Bashir probably, specially after the recent LD episode (even if it was an alternate universe). Kirk/Spock maybe, though I don't think any more than Spock/McCoy or Kirk/McCoy. It works well both as romantic or as pure friendship. I'd prefer it if they left it ambiguous.
Yes! Communications in the Navy is a real post, and pretty similar to what Uhura does in the series. It's a very technically-oriented job, and has NOTHING to do with being a linguist, let alone a phone operator or secretary! If Uhura was a man, they wouldn't have misunderstood her as such.
This. It's so narrow-minded to think that a gay actor can only play gay characters, or viceversa. Besides, Sulu was very much into Uhura, and even checking out that Klingon woman in one of the movies. I liked much more the direction taken in the DC comics, where Sulu was the ladies man, and not Kirk.
Not at all as opposed to almost not at all.
Kirk mentioned his brother and his family when playing twenty questions with an android duplicate while proving that the android knows things that NOBODY ELSE KNOWS.
When Sam's life is in danger Kirk rushes to the rescue without telling anyone why he is doing it. And after he is dead never mentions him ever again.
What are the names of Kirk's parents? Are they alive or dead? He's never mentioned them.
Clearly Kirk was an open book. OR we only saw 78ish hours of these people's lives over the course of three or four years.
(Why do I have no problem with Spock having had a foster kid live with him when he was a young child that we had never heard about? There you go.)
*Ahem* - Of course TAS is canon.
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