What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[137th Gebirg]

Yep it’s been canon for years, as far as Paramount is concerned. The numerous direct references to TAS in ENT and, more recently (and prominently) LDS, reenforce that notion. Only GR and his most staunch sycophants screamed about maintaining its decanonization while he was alive. Thankfully, those people’s opinions generally don’t matter anymore.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Some people say that TOS is based on Captain Kirk's exaggerated log entries, and this is entirely false. Spock looked over those log entries and confirmed they were all very factual. However TAS is a massively exaggerated story written by Chekov, under his pen name 'Arex', and he didn't even bother researching what April looked like or what the first warp ship was. Chapel later sued him for claiming she used a love drug on Spock.

 

[Tallguy]

Some people say that TOS is based on Captain Kirk's exaggerated log entries, and this is entirely false. Spock looked over those log entries and confirmed they were all very factual. However TAS is a massively exaggerated story written by Chekov, under his pen name 'Arex', and he didn't even bother researching what April looked like or what the first warp ship was. Chapel later sued him for claiming she used a love drug on Spock.

THIS is canon!

 

[HotRod]

In regards to TAS. I regard what generally lines up with the rest of the franchise as canon. What doesn't work with the rest of the franchise, I ignore.

It's no really different than TOS in that regard. We commonly ignore things like James R. Kirk, Vulcan being conquered, Women can't be Starship Captains, 90's Eugenics Wars, etc.

 

[Tallguy]

In regards to TAS. I regard what generally lines up with the rest of the franchise as canon. What doesn't work with the rest of the franchise, I ignore.

It's no really different than TOS in that regard. We commonly ignore things like James R. Kirk, Vulcan being conquered, Women can't be Starship Captains, 90's Eugenics Wars, etc.

Money in the Federation. SO much MONEY.

Oh, and we do not ignore 90's Eugenics Wars. There is a whole episode of SNW not ignoring it.

 

[HotRod]

Money in the Federation. SO much MONEY.

Oh, and we do not ignore 90's Eugenics Wars. There is a whole episode of SNW not ignoring it.

TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise ignored it. TNG went as far as moving it to the 21st century. SNW simply went with the more established timeframe while making a jab at the little inconsistencies that happen throughout the franchise.

 

[Daedalus]

I feel like the SNW episode demonstrates a constant "toing and froing" of the timelime. She expected everything to be 30 years earlier, but arrived at a fluctuating point and was stuck with nothing better to do but wait.

Even in the Kelvin Universe, McCoy referred to Khan as a "20th century tyrant", so I think it depends on what's going on above your head, i.e who just made a temporal incursion from the future.

The weird thing thing is with TWOK is that Khan is simultaneously from 1996 (20th century) and was a prince 200 years ago (21st century). If you look carefully, you can actually see Biff stealing the Delorean during the sandstorm.

 

[cooleddie74]

Archer's great-grandfather served in the U.S. military during the Eugenics Wars. Archer was born around 2110 so allowing for a great-grandfather to be born at roughly the usual time the average great-grandparent is in relation to the great-grandchild that would place Archer's ancestor as coming of age and being in military service sometime during the early 21st century, which totally tracks with the Eugenics Wars being an early 21st century series of conflicts.

 

[Tallguy]

The weird thing thing is with TWOK is that Khan is simultaneously from 1996 (20th century) and was a prince 200 years ago (21st century). If you look carefully, you can actually see Biff stealing the Delorean during the sandstorm.

That was just going off of the statement in Space Seed that Khan had been asleep for 200 years. No Biff required.

As happy as I am with the final agreement that TOS takes place in the late 23rd century there is rather a lot of on screen dialogue that says Star Trek is two hundred years in the future, not three.

(And I'm typing a LOT about Star Trek dates today.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

That was just going off of the statement in Space Seed that Khan had been asleep for 200 years. No Biff required.

As happy as I am with the final agreement that TOS takes place in the late 23rd century there is rather a lot of on screen dialogue that says Star Trek is two hundred years in the future, not three.

(And I'm typing a LOT about Star Trek dates today.)

Khan, Kirk’s “just about right “ joke… drawing a blank on the rest.

Gene in TMOST brings up the 23rd Century a lot . So it seems to be in the back of his mind.

“Squire of Gothos “ gives us the 400 (?) years in the future timeframe.

Hmmm, might have been best to keep it vague.

 

[cooleddie74]

Trelane says 900 years! But TOS never really had a firm time frame for Kirk's adventures other than they were at least 200 years after the Eugenics Wars of Khan.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Trelane says 900 years! But TOS never really had a firm time frame for Kirk's adventures other than they were at least 200 years after the Eugenics Wars of Khan.

900! Man those time traveling Romulans really screwed the pooch on that one! At least Spock can say hello to his sister.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Temporal Cold War screwed even that up. Now Michael's in the 35th century!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seems like a lot of first season weirdness can be attributed to Temporal Cold War shenanigans.

Too bad LDS is ending. Perfect place for the Earth ship Enterprise, conquered Vulcan and James R. Kirk to rift into existence.

 

[cooleddie74]

From the 28th century, courtesy of the fine folks at Starfleet Central!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Archer's great-grandfather served in the U.S. military during the Eugenics Wars. Archer was born around 2110 so allowing for a great-grandfather to be born at roughly the usual time the average great-grandparent is in relation to the great-grandchild that would place Archer's ancestor as coming of age and being in military service sometime during the early 21st century, which totally tracks with the Eugenics Wars being an early 21st century series of conflicts.

That more or less confirms that we've split from 3x Time-Lines to 4x Time-Lines.

Spoiler: 3x Time Lines Theory

First Contact / Enterprise was one of the key branching points for Time-Line splits.

Spoiler: 4x Time Lines Theory

Romulan / Temporal Cold War mucking about also splits the Time-Line again as seen in SNW.

 

[markoid the android]

The Star Trek films got progressively worse. The best was #1, second best was #2, third best was #3 etc. The very worst was #13.

 

[HotRod]

That more or less confirms that we've split from 3x Time-Lines to 4x Time-Lines.

Spoiler: 3x Time Lines Theory

First Contact / Enterprise was one of the key branching points for Time-Line splits.

Spoiler: 4x Time Lines Theory

Romulan / Temporal Cold War mucking about also splits the Time-Line again as seen in SNW.

Or it's just the two timelines, as is the official stance on things.

The various shows and films just happen to made across multiple decades with multiple people in charge, and multiple different production standards. Things might look a little different, but things generally line up pretty well, especially when one considers the circumstances.

That the franchise has managed to mostly maintain the continuity after almost 60 years is astonishing. What minor inconsistencies exists are best ignored, glossed over, or poked fun at, as SNW has done.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Or it's just the two timelines, as is the official stance on things.

The various shows and films just happen to made across multiple decades with multiple people in charge, and multiple different production standards. Things might look a little different, but things generally line up pretty well, especially when one considers the circumstances.

That the franchise has managed to mostly maintain the continuity after almost 60 years is astonishing. What minor inconsistencies exists are best ignored, glossed over, or poked fun at, as SNW has done.

We could take the "Official Company Line" for what it is, but that was also before SNW aired that time travel episode in Canada.

But the evidence presented logically concludes in more than 2x Time Lines, especially given the totality of the franchise and the various events / idiosyncracies that don't line up with new facts.

It doesn't hurt the Kurtzman-verse to have it's own Time Line or 2x new branching Time Lines from the older eras.

Star Trek's take on Time Travel is all about Time Lines & Branching off from them.

Both are equally valid additions to the canon of Star Trek & equally acceptable & enjoyable depending on the viewers taste.

I personally have no issues with that, especially given the events of the Time Travel shenanigans that happened in SNW.

Then all canon is preserved w/o conflict from newer series & newer facts that might contradict old canon.

 

[HotRod]

We could take the "Official Company Line" for what it is,

That's the only thing there is to take. They own it. They make the rules.

but that was also before SNW aired that time travel episode in Canada.

That episode chances nothing. It points out a single inconsistency among the 100's that no doubt exists across almost 60 years of Trek. An inconsistency that SNW didn't even create. The Eugenics Wars have been a 21st century conflict since the first episode of TNG in 1987.

But the evidence presented logically concludes in more than 2x Time Lines, especially given the totality of the franchise and the various events / idiosyncracies that don't line up with new facts.

If we were to use this logic, there would be a new timeline that we follow every time that time travel has happened in Trek. That is not what we are presented in the franchise. When characters come back from the past, they almost always return to their present timeline as if nothing happened.

It doesn't hurt the Kurtzman-verse to have it's own Time Line or 2x new branching Time Lines from the older eras.

Disagree. The connection between the SNW characters and their older versions in TOS is one of the best things about SNW. It helps to expand the characters that we know and love and make them far more interesting and dynamic. For characters like Uhura, Spock, Chapel, Number One, Pike, etc Strange New Worlds is the best thing to ever happen to those characters.

Star Trek's take on Time Travel is all about Time Lines & Branching off from them.

Except when it usually isn't.

I personally have no issues with that, especially given the events of the Time Travel shenanigans that happened in SNW.

Time Travel Shenanigans have happened in every series. It's hardly unique to SNW.

Then all canon is preserved w/o conflict from newer series & newer facts that might contradict old canon.

There is only conflict if people choose to make it an issue. Otherwise, a little creative thinking is usually more than enough to correct any issues that might arise.