What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[fireproof78]

I find the entire idea of attempting to target Star Trek IP to specific demos a really dubious proposition.

Except, that's what Trek has done of late.

It might be dubious and success might be questionable but I welcome things targeting my own interests. Rarely does Trek do so, nor do I require it to do so. But, I won't look a gift show in the mouth.

 

[James Cole]

I find the entire idea of attempting to target Star Trek IP to specific demos a really dubious proposition.

Again, this seems like a situation where the concept itself is self-limiting. If you make a good series, people of all ages will watch it. Pre-Kurtzman era, none of the Star Trek series were positioned this way. They did their best to make a good drama centered around a general concept, and people of all ages watched.

But if you make Star Trek: Riverdale, then you're going to turn off a segment of the audience from the start and limit the the potential audience that will give it a chance, within a series that has limitations based on its concept to begin with.

“What I’m so excited about the Starfleet Academy is that it’s really important that every show really has its own distinct identity. Otherwise, what’s the difference between one or the other? And I think fans were waiting over 60 years to go inside the chocolate factory and see what’s like in there. And when you’re in Starfleet Academy, you’re not yet on a ship proper. And so you get to make mistakes, and you get to learn who you are, and figure all that out. I think that this idea that the generation is inheriting – I look at my son and we look at kids now, they’re inheriting all these massive, massive challenges. Then the question becomes how do you hold on and rebuild all the hope? And I think that’s what our show is so much about. It’s really fun. It’s really funny. And it’s ultimately a show that speaks to the generation now. And that’s this question of how are our better angels going to emerge and what are they going to do to get us there? Because it is going to be on the next generation to do that.”

Kurtzman elaborating on SFA at the NYCC.

 

[Commander Troi]

The Starfleet Academy co-showrunner (with Alex Kurtzman) is Noga Landau. Her WGA profile lists her most recent credits as TOM SWIFT and NANCY DREW. Both were CW YA dramas and are available to stream on HBO Max in the US.

Just as 12 MONKEYS gave a good indication of what we might expect from a Terry Matalas-run Star Trek series, these might forecast what direction SFA would take... Someone here should sample them and report back...

I watched both shows. Hubby and I really loved Nancy Drew (we're both 55) - it was a fresh take on the character and setting and most of the time it was enjoyable fun. Tom Swift was better in the concept than the execution, which is why it didn't even make a full season.

 

[The Wormhole]

I hope they change the era to Early 25th century, during ST:Legacy's purported time frame.

They still have time to adjust everything =D.

The show's premise is supposed to be about Starfleet Academy re-opening for the first time since the Burn. Kind if hard to use that premise in the 25th century.

 

[Tuskin38]

I liked the changes to the Klingon makeup in DSC Season 2, and hated that SNW went back to more TNG looking makeup. Though I am glad they stopped using the DSC Season 1 ship designs and weapons.

Except the Cleave Ship, I liked the Cleave Ship, it's so very Klingon to have giant blade ship.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm on record not liking most things about the DSC Season 1 and 2 Klingons but yeah, the Cleave Ship was a badass design and something you could totally see the Klingon Empire building and using in any era of warp flight.

 

[Shawnster]

That said, THE 100 was actually pretty good for a CW show...

I found The 100 to be boringly repetitive with the basic plot of each season being the same as the previous.

Group of cataclysmic holocaust survivors (or descendants of survivors in season 1) fights natives in an attempt to establish a foothold of a colony on Earth (or nearby planet) with the season ender being another cataclysm that resets the story.

I stopped watching season 6. So close to the end...

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The show's premise is supposed to be about Starfleet Academy re-opening for the first time since the Burn. Kind if hard to use that premise in the 25th century.

They can change the premise =D

 

[Yunikuron]

That every series after Voyager and DS9 are so outside of the history that they shouldn't even be considered to be a part of Star Trek

 

[Dukhat]

They can change the premise =D

Yeah, that’s not going to happen. All the sets from PIC have been struck. The entire point of making SFA is that they can use the DSC assets after that show ends.

 

[fireproof78]

That every series after Voyager and DS9 are so outside of the history that they shouldn't even be considered to be a part of Star Trek

What should they be considered?

 

[cooleddie74]

That every series after Voyager and DS9 are so outside of the history that they shouldn't even be considered to be a part of Star Trek

NOW WE'RE COOKING WITH WARP PLASMA.

Buckle up!

 

[fireproof78]

NOW WE'RE COOKING WITH WARP PLASMA.

Buckle up!

Good thing I had that crash bar installed on my couch.

 

[Mudd]

"Devil in the Dark" is about a colonial power sending a ship to put down a local uprising that's interfering with their profitable mining operation.

The ship captain's solution is to get the surviving indigenous inhabitants to work the mines of the invaders who slaughtered thousands of their siblings.

Consider a few choice pieces of dialogue:

SPOCK: The missing pump wasn't taken by accident. It was the one piece of equipment absolutely essential for the operation of the reactor.
KIRK: Do you think the creature is trying to push the colonists off the planet?
SPOCK: It would seem so.

Note that Spock has just established the sophisticated intelligence of the planet's inhabitants.

Later, Kirk will say:

KIRK: Mister Spock, our mission is to protect this colony, to get the pergium moving again. This is not a zoological expedition. [...] I'm sorry, Mister Spock, but I'm afraid the creature must die.

He's been told. He's culpable.

All hail the humane ideals of the Federation!

 

[Denise]

"Devil in the Dark" is about a colonial power sending a ship to put down a local uprising that's interfering with their profitable mining operation.

The ship captain's solution is to get the surviving indigenous inhabitants to work the mines of the invaders who slaughtered thousands of their siblings.

Consider a few choice pieces of dialogue:



Note that Spock has just established the sophisticated intelligence of the planet's inhabitants.

Later, Kirk will say:



He's been told. He's culpable.

All hail the humane ideals of the Federation!

I totally agree, and I think Spock would, too.

There's a fan fiction piece I have read where Spock convinces Kirk that they have to bring this to the Federation Council to get justice for the Horta. I'll try to find it and I will edit this post with the link when I do.

 

[Ovation]

"Devil in the Dark" is about a colonial power sending a ship to put down a local uprising that's interfering with their profitable mining operation.

The ship captain's solution is to get the surviving indigenous inhabitants to work the mines of the invaders who slaughtered thousands of their siblings.

Consider a few choice pieces of dialogue:



Note that Spock has just established the sophisticated intelligence of the planet's inhabitants.

Later, Kirk will say:



He's been told. He's culpable.

All hail the humane ideals of the Federation!

True enough. My six year old self in 1973 saw it a bit differently, though (this episode is one of my favourites, not least for its sentimental value as the very first episode of Trek I ever watched thanks to the Trekkie sitter my parents got one Saturday night back then).

 

[Lord Garth]

I consider the Original Effects option on the TOS Blu-Rays to be the true "TOS Remastered" because it's the original 1960s version but upscaled. Similar to what TNG Remastered is.

 

[ananta]

I consider the Original Effects option on the TOS Blu-Rays to be the true "TOS Remastered" because it's the original 1960s version but upscaled. Similar to what TNG Remastered is.

I always watch it with the original FX, I’m so glad they provided that option. That’s what I grew up with and it adds to the show’s charm. The CGI FX are okay but pull me out of it a bit, particularly when they try to be a little clever or showy.

 

[Shat Happens]

I would very much like to watch TOS without the remasters and I viscerally hate that I can't. Everytime I see a picture of the Okudas I retch. Its Pavlovian, I associated their faces with TOS-R..

I don't have the blurays and will not buy them because 1) it's 2023 not the time to buy physical media 2) there are several releases of everything with different descriptions and I won't waste the time to sift through all of them to find the correct one. 3) even if I had the disks I don't have a desktop computer with a CD/DVD drive anymore with which to rip the files and save them to a convenient location 4)

Spoiler

I'm aware illegal downloads exist but they have the same problem of finding the right ones

 

[Mytran]

I would very much like to watch TOS without the remasters and I viscerally hate that I can't. Everytime I see a picture of the Okudas I retch. Its Pavlovian, I associated their faces with TOS-R..

I don't have the blurays and will not buy them because 1) it's 2023 not the time to buy physical media 2) there are several releases of everything with different descriptions and I won't waste the time to sift through all of them to find the correct one. 3) even if I had the disks I don't have a desktop computer with a CD/DVD drive anymore with which to rip the files and save them to a convenient location 4)

Spoiler

I'm aware illegal downloads exist but they have the same problem of finding the right ones

All the BluRays sets have both versions of the special effects. But it sounds like you don't want physical media of any sort, which does restrict your options somewhat (even buying the original release DVDs). Am I correct in thinking your just want video files?