What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Guy Gardener]

Do you mean this scene about World War III?

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I have heard of the name Mike Pence but have no idea who he is. Are you referring to this particular scene? These are the only gallows that I can recall in the episode but the localised context/allegory escapes me.
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Ilia was a Deltan, not a sex symbol. This is why she was celibate to reiterate this fact to the audience. The atypical lack of hair as opposed to the Hollywood flowing blonde locks was likely an attempt to break the stereotypical mould in regards to the perception of beauty. Indirectly, this display of baldness combined with sexuality probably led the way for Patrick Stewart becoming a sex symbol? Perhaps Picard was originally envisaged to be Deltan before they settled on his character being French?

Star Trek: The Motion Picture: The Book explains her situation more broadly.

Humans can't handle intimacy with Deltans and wig out.

It's more about telepathic interconnections than exemplary physical technique, so it's emotional intimacy, not physical intimacy, not that a human being written by Gene Roddenberry can separate the two.

I think the book said that human beings generally go insane or commit suicide after their relationship with a Deltan ends.

Telepathic "withdrawal".

Thus the need for a strictly enforced Celibacy Oath.

 

[Macintosh]

I have heard of the name Mike Pence but have no idea who he is. Are you referring to this particular scene? These are the only gallows that I can recall in the episode but the localised context/allegory escapes me.

Good lord... do you not watch or read or otherwise ingest news?

Perhaps Picard was originally envisaged to be Deltan before they settled on his character being French?

No, he was always envisaged as French. He wasn't envisaged as bald until they cast Patrick Stewart and decided he didn't look good in a hairpiece.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Do you mean as far as Troi and Riker’s relationship being like Decker and Ilia’s? Well that’s a borrowing of backstory but in what way is TNG like an improved TMP?

I think the first two seasons at least are quite heavily based on big concepts rather than internal drama or violent conflict... Also they first two seasons are rather contemplative in tone and often quite glacial. In a good way. I can see what @Nerys Myk is getting at.

 

[fireproof78]

Good lord... do you not watch or read or otherwise ingest news?

I believe our friend is from Europe.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

This is why she was celibate to reiterate this fact to the audience.

Celibacy is often grafted to a character to give them sex appeal and that was certainly Roddenberry's intention. We want the thing we cannot have. Also she spends much of the movie in heels and a sheer robe.

Illia was absolutely intended as the sex appeal of the movie and objectified as so.

 

[cooleddie74]

And that was a G-rated movie until the Director's Edition was released with the current PG rating in 2001.

 

[Gul Sengosts]

Ilia-Probe was also supposed to appear nude, but Persis Khambatta refused. The novel has the nude scene and it's as weird as only Gene himself could have made it.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I believe our friend is from Europe.

As a European, I can confirm that what happens on American soil is of tangential interest to me at best. I know there was a riot and something, something, something... Trump. To be honest, I think most of the world has become quite numb in regards to reading about Trump. America is not the centre of the universe that many Americans presume it to be.

Not meaning you, or for that matter anyone who's posted in this thread.

 

[Mage]

I believe our friend is from Europe.

As a European, I can confirm that what happens on American soil is of tangential interest to me at best. I know there was a riot and something, something, something... Trump. To be honest, I think most of the world has become quite numb in regards to reading about Trump. America is not the centre of the universe that many Americans presume it to be.

Not meaning you, or for that matter anyone who's posted in this thread.

I am very sorry, but.....

As a Dutch person, we follow the news about the political situation in the States with great interest. Especially when something like a rush at Capitol is happening. So, no. Saying someone is European so not interested in the political situation in the States is false.
Richard S. Ta is right in that the entire Trump situation is getting more boring to us everyday, but that's because we simply don't understand how someone like that could actually gather people around him like he does. Then again, the US also loves The Kardashians for some reason...

If a person from a European country (yes, Europe isn't a country) doesn't follow international news, they are most likely also less interested in what happens in Europe or even in his/her/their own country. Being aware of the geo-political situation is necessary to follow the intricacies of owns national political sitation. In 2023 these are all highly connected.

 

[at Quark's]

As another Dutchman, I'd say that to me, news from the US is only more interesting than from other countries when it's (potentially) connected to the influence the US has on the world. So, yes, political developments in the US are interesting since they might affect world affairs (e.g. their stance in the Ukraine war, or future relations with Europe or China). But news of yet another school shooting incident (horrible though it might be) isn't intrinsically more interesting to me just because it happens to be in the US, rather than in, say, Uganda, Argentina, or Japan.

That said, I would find it hard to believe anyone in my country wouldn't have heard about the Capitol riots given the amount of attention it has received in our media.

 

[Mage]

As another Dutchman, I'd say that to me, news from the US is only more interesting than from other countries when it's (potentially) connected to the influence the US has on the world. So, yes, political developments in the US are interesting since they might affect world affairs (e.g. their stance in the Ukraine war, or future relations with Europe or China). But news of yet another school shooting incident (horrible though it might be) isn't intrinsically more interesting to me just because it happens to be in the US, rather than in, say, Uganda, Argentina, or Japan.

That said, I would find it hard to believe anyone in my country wouldn't have heard about the Capitol riots given the amount of attention it has received in our media.

Fuck me, you're Dutch too? Never knew that.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

As a Dutch person, we follow the news about the political situation in the States with great interest. Especially when something like a rush at Capitol is happening. So, no. Saying someone is European so not interested in the political situation in the States is false.

To clarify, I did say 'for me'. I don't make any claim to speak for the entirety of Europe...

 

[fireproof78]

I am very sorry, but.....

As a Dutch person, we follow the news about the political situation in the States with great interest. Especially when something like a rush at Capitol is happening. So, no. Saying someone is European so not interested in the political situation in the States is false.
Richard S. Ta is right in that the entire Trump situation is getting more boring to us everyday, but that's because we simply don't understand how someone like that could actually gather people around him like he does. Then again, the US also loves The Kardashians for some reason...

If a person from a European country (yes, Europe isn't a country) doesn't follow international news, they are most likely also less interested in what happens in Europe or even in his/her/their own country. Being aware of the geo-political situation is necessary to follow the intricacies of owns national political sitation. In 2023 these are all highly connected.

Lot of assumptions in there. Not knowing who Mike Pence is doesn't indicate a lack of political interest.

Yes, I'm aware Europe is a continent. I spoke broadly as I do not trust my memory as to Timofnine location.

Finally, Americans suck at political awareness. They follow buzz words. This has been going on for the last 20 years that I've followed it, probably longer. I am passingly familiar with other countries leaders but if you said a name I'd probably not recognize right off.

 

[Lord Garth]

As a Dutch person, we follow the news about the political situation in the States with great interest. Especially when something like a rush at Capitol is happening. So, no. Saying someone is European so not interested in the political situation in the States is false.
Richard S. Ta is right in that the entire Trump situation is getting more boring to us everyday, but that's because we simply don't understand how someone like that could actually gather people around him like he does. Then again, the US also loves The Kardashians for some reason...

If a person from a European country (yes, Europe isn't a country) doesn't follow international news, they are most likely also less interested in what happens in Europe or even in his/her/their own country. Being aware of the geo-political situation is necessary to follow the intricacies of owns national political sitation. In 2023 these are all highly connected.

It makes sense that foreigners follow the political situation of the United States with great interest. You want to know who you're dealing with. Unfortunately, we have a split-personality. Every four-to-eight years, the USA changes its entire outlook based on who's in Office.

 

[Vger23]

Anyway.....Star Trek stuff, anyone?

Controversial Opinion:

Memberberries, internal references, Easter Eggs, etc. are all awesome and part of what makes me a happy fanboy.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Anyway.....Star Trek stuff, anyone?

Controversial Opinion:

Memberberries, internal references, Easter Eggs, etc. are all awesome and part of what makes me a happy fanboy.

Agreed completely.

 

[dmac]

I've gotten off of social platforms except for this one because political topics generally don't come up on here.
Generally, I defer to Captain Kirk's wisdom when he looked at Lokai and Bele and couldn't see a difference. A very unpopular position in today's world, it seems.
For people around the world wondering what America is like, it's probably not to different from the country you live in. The rich get richer and the poor working class pay the taxes...LoL.

 

[Macintosh]

I believe our friend is from Europe.

So am I

 

[Lord Garth]

Anyway.....Star Trek stuff, anyone?

Controversial Opinion:

Memberberries, internal references, Easter Eggs, etc. are all awesome and part of what makes me a happy fanboy.

As soon as someone says "memberberries!" they've lost me. If they don't want them, they shouldn't be watching sequels, prequels, reboots, or spin-offs.

 

[fireproof78]

Anyway.....Star Trek stuff, anyone?

Controversial Opinion:

Memberberries, internal references, Easter Eggs, etc. are all awesome and part of what makes me a happy fanboy.

Probably my more controversial opinion is that they are awesome if done in a way that serves the story. Otherwise it feels like pandering to my fanboy side and I do not like being pandered to.

So am I

Got nothing then.