What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, the actual nuclear exchange itself happened in 2053, stated in FC and then reinforced in Season 2 of DSC when Burnham says that the nuclear World War III took place in the year 2053. Any conflicts leading up to that were far more conventional in nature and it's doubtful knowing human behavior that the nukes were used until the hope of keeping it limited had long expired.

That's when the Eastern Coalition finished the War, but there's also information pointing to Colonel Green killing 38 million people in 2026, and then he had the euthanize hundreds of thousands with radiation poisoning. So Either Green Held Power for 27 years, the length of the entire war, or some one nuked him closer to 2026.

My eyes hurt from rolling.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Civil_War

Matalas is blaming The Second Civil War on Black Lives Matter vs. Maga.

Serious?

This fucker needs to spanked on the ass with a rolled up copy of Forbes.

Has Black Lives Matter responded to this?

I know he's a little busy right now, but as Trump responded to this? Although technically Trump is not Maga, he's just the guy who sells them hats.

 

[dmac]

Star Trek is at its best when it's indulging in silly science and has never done 'hard-sci-fi' 100% successfully.

If you pick at the science too much you'll probably miss the show.
As I tried to explain pages back, a lot of science fiction is born out of proposed science theory.
Around the year 2,000 Hollywood discovered Dark Matter and writers went off and wrote scripts about the cool sounding theory, probably with little understanding of the science behind it and it became a "Magic Dust" plot device.
Dark Storm (2006) with Stephen Baldwin was a fairly well produced flick but had zero to do with Fritz Zwicky's 1933 white paper theory on it.
Star Trek (2009) Called it Red Matter but that doesn't matter, it's only Magic dust and just as wrong.
If TOS "The Alternative Factor" opened your mind up to something new, it served it's purpose and that's what I enjoy from Star Trek.

 

[cooleddie74]

Clearly nobody nuked Colonel Green. He lived until at least 2056.

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[cooleddie74]

I wonder what David Rappaport would have been like had he been able to complete playing Kivas Fajo in TNG. While Saul Rubinek is creepily malevolent and off-putting and it's hard now to imagine anyone else playing Fajo there's something about the more alien and exotic look of as well as the line delivery by Rappaport that makes me wonder if he might have been the superior Fajo.

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[Guy Gardener]

Clearly nobody nuked Colonel Green. He lived until at least 2056.

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A flesh wound possibly?

 

[cooleddie74]

Rubinek handled this scene better but it's fascinating to see what Rappaport did with his few short days on-set.

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[Timofnine]

I honestly do not think that I have any controversial Star Trek opinions? I guess that if push comes to shove my insistence on the retconning of the destruction of Romulus and Remus might be seen as controversial since it is a significant event in the canon ‘onscreen’ Star Trek universe, and such a retcon could have far-reaching implications for the storylines and characters that were developed and established in "modern" Trek since the JJ verse reboot in 2009. But that is about as controversial as it gets from me, which is is actually not so controversial at all if you really think about it.

 

[FredH]

I think TMP is about the closest they've ever come.

It's arguable they even tried to retcon the transporters as requiring a working machine on each end in order to function.

Whether or not it’s hard sf per se, TMP was certainly a good attempt at an actual sf story (ie. the science-fictional concepts are front and center and the story collapses without them, and is at least in part about them (as well as the characters); you couldn’t translate the main plot into another genre, as you might with many other Trek plots.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I just watched Strange New Worlds s01e01, and I think I saw the exact moment in time where our timeline diverged from fictional Star Trek History.

The execution of Mike Pence during the Jan 6 Insurrection.

Why else show us his gallows as canon?

 

[sonak]

The comments about TMP are interesting to me. It stands apart from the rest of the Trek movies in terms of its approach, and none of the rest of the Trek movies tried to go back to it or seemed to have been influenced by it in any significant way. There’ve been a few different attempts at “another” TWOK but I wonder what an attempt at an “improved” TMP would look like.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The comments about TMP are interesting to me. It stands apart from the rest of the Trek movies in terms of its approach, and none of the rest of the Trek movies tried to go back to it or seemed to have been influenced by it in any significant way. There’ve been a few different attempts at “another” TWOK but I wonder what an attempt at an “improved” TMP would look like.

The Next Generation

 

[Guy Gardener]

Whether or not it’s hard sf per se, TMP was certainly a good attempt at an actual sf story (ie. the science-fictional concepts are front and center and the story collapses without them, and is at least in part about them (as well as the characters); you couldn’t translate the main plot into another genre, as you might with many other Trek plots.

If Persis Khambata had been allowed to keep her hair, the box office would have tripled.

 

[sonak]

The Next Generation

Do you mean as far as Troi and Riker’s relationship being like Decker and Ilia’s? Well that’s a borrowing of backstory but in what way is TNG like an improved TMP?

 

[Relayer1]

If Persis Khambata had been allowed to keep her hair, the box office would have tripled.

She looked better without it.

Stunningly so.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Do you mean as far as Troi and Riker’s relationship being like Decker and Ilia’s? Well that’s a borrowing of backstory but in what way is TNG like an improved TMP?

I was slightly joking. But TNG is a new take on the Phase II idea and TMP. Not just Riker and Troi, but Riker and Picard (Kirk and Decker), Data (Xon) and they did adapt one or two Phase II scripts for TNG.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She looked better without it.

Stunningly so.

Did Ilia become even prettier when they gave her a Dalek voice box?

 

[sonak]

I was slightly joking. But TNG is a new take on the Phase II idea and TMP. Not just Riker and Troi, but Riker and Picard (Kirk and Decker), Data (Xon) and they did adapt one or two Phase II scripts for TNG.

Ah, got it, sorry. So more as far as the Phase II stuff than specifically the TMP stuff.

 

[Relayer1]

Did Ilia become even prettier when they gave her a Dalek voice box?

Irrelevant, irrelevant...

 

[Timofnine]

I just watched Strange New Worlds s01e01, and I think I saw the exact moment in time where our timeline diverged from fictional Star Trek History.

The execution of Mike Pence during the Jan 6 Insurrection.

Why else show us his gallows as canon?

Do you mean this scene about World War III?

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I have heard of the name Mike Pence but have no idea who he is. Are you referring to this particular scene? These are the only gallows that I can recall in the episode but the localised context/allegory escapes me.

If Persis Khambata had been allowed to keep her hair, the box office would have tripled.

Ilia was a Deltan, not a sex symbol. This is why she was celibate to reiterate this fact to the audience. The atypical lack of hair as opposed to the Hollywood flowing blonde locks was likely an attempt to break the stereotypical mould in regards to the perception of beauty. Indirectly, this display of baldness combined with sexuality probably led the way for Patrick Stewart becoming a sex symbol? Perhaps Picard was originally envisaged to be Deltan before they settled on his character being French?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ilia was a Deltan, not a sex symbol

I pretty sure she was conceived to be the "sex appeal" for the movie. Also why her android double spends most of the film in a mini robe and heels

Perhaps Picard was originally envisaged to be Deltan before they settled on his character being French?

Picard wasn't envisaged as bald. He became bald when Patrick Stewart was cast and they decided not to use a hairpiece. Roddenberry was never 100% for Stewart's casting.