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I don’t agree with this. STEM careers are stereotypically / heavily male dominated. And I think giving her a science background differentiated her from Kirk, Picard and Sisko.
But I'm not talking about real life. I was saying that in 90s Trek (TNG-ENT) the majority of female main characters were in the "blue" division (or held positions that would put them in blue if they were wearing the uniform) and the majority of "blue" main characters were women.

I actually liked thst Janeway's background was science. Sisko's background was engineering. Both were very hands on in how they did things. That was something that differentiated Kirk and Picard, who were both command training from the start.

But how often did Janeway's supposed science background become a plot point or a defining trait of hers? Let alone make her stand out from the other captains?
 
But I'm not talking about real life. I was saying that in 90s Trek (TNG-ENT) the majority of female main characters were in the "blue" division (or held positions that would put them in blue if they were wearing the uniform) and the majority of "blue" main characters were women.

Well, you had Crusher, Troi, Dax and Hoshi for sure.

Seemed pretty balanced to me when you consider Yar (security) Ro (command), Kira (command) Torres (engineering) and T’Pol (command).

Granted, there were a lot, but they had plenty of female characters in non-science roles too.
 
Well, you had Crusher, Troi, Dax and Hoshi for sure.

Seemed pretty balanced to me when you consider Yar (security) Ro (command), Kira (command) Torres (engineering) and T’Pol (command).

Granted, there were a lot, but they had plenty of female characters in non-science roles too.
Captain Scott, the youngest Starfleet captain in TNG early season (I think 2). Admiral Nechayev. Admiral Sati. TNG's chief engineer in "The Naked Now."

Also, thinking about it, I thought Janeway's science background was basically saying she's just like Picard.
 
Captain Scott, the youngest Starfleet captain in TNG early season (I think 2).

If you mean the young woman from the episode "Conspiracy", that was near the end of season one. As I recall, that episode also contained one of the first times Worf was smacked down by someone who shouldn't have been able to (the old admiral).
 
Well, you had Crusher, Troi, Dax and Hoshi for sure.

Seemed pretty balanced to me when you consider Yar (security) Ro (command), Kira (command) Torres (engineering) and T’Pol (command).

Granted, there were a lot, but they had plenty of female characters in non-science roles too.

I'd ad Kes (nurse) Seven (astronomics). ANd Dex counts as two characters:Jadzia (Science Officer) and Ezri (Counselor)And you're missing Dr.Pulaski
And according to Memory Alpha T'Pol is a first officer/science officer hybrid, like Spock.

Captain Scott, the youngest Starfleet captain in TNG early season (I think 2). Admiral Nechayev. Admiral Sati. TNG's chief engineer in "The Naked Now."

And since when did any of those become Main Characters? Is there a spinoff featuring them I'm not aware of? ;)
 
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Captain Scott, the youngest Starfleet captain in TNG early season (I think 2). Admiral Nechayev. Admiral Sati. TNG's chief engineer in "The Naked Now."

Nobody said that Scott was the yougest captain. I quote from "Conspiracy":

KEEL: Captain Picard, meet Captain Rixx.
PICARD: I believe we've met. The Altairian conference.
KEEL: And Captain Scott.
PICARD: Tryla Scott. It's said you made Captain faster than anyone in Starfleet history, present company included. Are you that good?
TRYLA: Yes, I am.
PICARD: Starfleet's finest. Fancy meeting you here.

Nobody said that Scott became captain at the youngest age. It was said that she made captain faster than anyone in strafleet history. Which means that Scott made captain in the least amount of time since an unspecified event.

If that unspecified event was birth, then Scott would have been the youngest captain (until "Conspiracy" at least). But possibly that unspecified event was entering Starfleet Academy, or being graduated and commissioned, or some other milestone in the careers of Starfleet captains. In which case she might not be the youngest captain n Starfleet history.

Other potential candidates for being the youngest captain include:

Christopher Pike, who Mendez said was about Kirk's age (in his eyes at least) and who was in command of the Enterprise, though not necesarily a captain in rank, 13 years before "The Menagerie".

Garth of izar, who didn't look very old, but who was the model that all cadets looked up to when Kirk was at the Academy at least 15 years before "Whom Gods Destroy".

James T. Kirk. The Making of Star Trek and probably the TOS writers guides say that: "Captain Kirk has been in command of the Enterprise for more than four years" and was the youngest Academy graduate to have been assigned as Starship Command Captain." So there is a semi canonical source to back fans who claim that he was the youngest starship captain.

Willard Decker. He was Captain Decker of the Enterprise for a brief time in Star Trek: The Motion Picture while looking very young..

Jean-Luc Picard. According to some non canon sources, Picard commanded the Stargazer for 22 years, though perhaps not with the rank of captaiin all that time, which ended 9 years before the second season of TNG, when Picard was still under 60 years old.

Will Riker. Riker certainly seemed to be on track to become an exceptionally young captain in the first seasons of TNG. But because "Status Quo is God" in television https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoisGod riker became content to be a commander and second officer for the rest of the series. However, Riker might have accepted offi ers of promotiona dnhis own command in many alternate universes.

And Paul Rice, commander of the Drake, may have been a very young captain:

In the first seaon episode "Arsenal of freedom":

PICARD: You know Captain Rice?
RIKER: We were at the Academy together.

So Rice was either a captain by courtesy as the commander of a vessel, or a captain in rank. And he was in the Academy with Riker and so might have been close in age to him.

WORF: Commander, weren't you offered the Drake?
RIKER: Yes.
TASHA: You gave up your own command to take this assignment?

So if Paul Rice became a captain because a ship the size of the Drake must be commanded by someone of captain rank, Riker would have become a captain in rank if he had accepted command of the Drake.

So in any alternate universes where Riker ccepted command of the Drake Riker would have been a very young commander of a Starfleet ship, and thus possibly also a captain. and if Paul Rice was not much older than Riker he was also very young to become the commander of a Starfleet ship and perhaps a captain.
 
Controversial Opinion:

The first two seasons of Enterprise, the first two Kelvin films, Discovery, Picard AND Lower Decks are better Star Trek than DS9 and Voyager combined, by tenfold.

I love TNG, and it is arguably my favorite Star Trek series of all-time. But I do NOT miss the Berman-era.
 
I adore ENT with the fire of a thousand burning stars and even I wouldn't rate it higher than DS9. But I respect your love and devotion to the series! :)
 
There is no discrepancy in the designs of the Constitution-class-Enterprise and the NX-class Enterprise. The Constitution-class is an amalgamation of the NX-class saucer, the Daedalus-class secondary hull, and the Emmette-type nacelles, vessels commonplace in the 2150s & 2160s.
 
Controversial Opinion:

The first two seasons of Enterprise, the first two Kelvin films, Discovery, Picard AND Lower Decks are better Star Trek than DS9 and Voyager combined, by tenfold.

I love TNG, and it is arguably my favorite Star Trek series of all-time. But I do NOT miss the Berman-era.

Any chance you meant the last two seasons of Enterprise? The first two seasons were probably the most Bermanesque Star Trek got, since he was a regular writer (I may be wrong, but I think that was the only time)
 
Any chance you meant the last two seasons of Enterprise? The first two seasons were probably the most Bermanesque Star Trek got, since he was a regular writer (I may be wrong, but I think that was the only time)

I don't know which I prefer, but ENT S1 and S2 have a totally different vibe than the Xindi Arc, which is absolutely different from the style of S4. S4 was developing into a style that could have launched an amazing S5-S7 and set in stone a "style" for ENT to be known for, but it never got the chance - and as it is, the first two seasons feel absolutely different from the rest of the series. He may very well be referring to the first two.
 
Something just occured to me, now that you mention the three different vibes of ENTERPRISE.

First, I completely agree. Seasons 1-2 is one vibe, season 3 is another, and season 4 is the last.

But it made me realize all the other shows have three vibes.

TOS... each season really felt different, and you can actually tell what season every episode is in by the vibe. One cibe per season in this case.

TNG... Seasons 1-2 are one vibe, seasons 3-4 is another, and 5-7 is the last vibe.

DS9... Seasons 1-3 are its own thing, seasons 4-5 is the next piece, and of course the Dominion War for seasons 6-7.

VOYAGER... As odd as this sounds, seasons 1-2 feel like one thing, season 3 is another, then we get seasons 4-7 as a final one.

Now, each season on its own has its own things that set them apart, but there are certain tones that seem to generally group certain seasons together.

(This is my opinion, of course. Everyone else may gave a completely different scale than what I am showing. It just suddenly struck me when I read that post.)
 
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