What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

section 31 was a terrible idea, and it has only grown worse as they’ve used it in more and more onscreen Trek. It was silly from the beginning as a concept, since I don’t know why they needed a supersecret, hidden organization to do what certain personnel or divisions within Starfleet Intelligence or Security could do. It was a way of making aspects of the shows “darker” without having Section 31 operations being part of Starfleet. They seem to operate as an unaccountable, rogue organization, which makes it unclear why the Federation would want such an organization to operate that way.

The Federation doesn't "Want Section 31". A secret Cabal of people realized that protecting the UFP means that they can't operate cleanly, so for the "Greater Good", they will do the dirty work in the shadows. Section 31 is self appointed Covert Intelligence and saviors of the UFP. They aren't supposed to be sanctioned by the government.

 

[Admiral Archer]

I'm afraid I don't get the reference.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm afraid I don't get the reference.

click!

 

[Velocity]

I just rewatched Generations and thought, Hmmm - Kirk has a LOT more personality than Picard in this. I have always liked Picard a lot, but here Kirk outshined him. I didn't notice the first time I saw this, but today, to me, Kirk was more watchable.

 

[Kor]

This may be controversial for some, as it is an emotionally-charged issue. And it's really not a matter of opinion, so it might not quite fit in this thread.

But anyway... time and time again, so many people keep repeating the notion that Dr. McCoy euthanized his father in STV:TFF. Let's clear this up once and for all. McCoy did nothing of the sort. He deactivated the technological life support that was artificially keeping his father alive. Euthanasia, on the other hand, is actually administering something lethal (such as a drug) to end someone's life when otherwise it would have continued. Many people conflate these two different things. But legally and ethically, they are not the same.

Kor

 

[FormerLurker]

This may be controversial for some, as it is an emotionally-charged issue. And it's really not a matter of opinion, so it might not quite fit in this thread.

But anyway... time and time again, so many people keep repeating the notion that Dr. McCoy euthanized his father in STV:TFF. Let's clear this up once and for all. McCoy did nothing of the sort. He deactivated the technological life support that was artificially keeping his father alive. Euthanasia, on the other hand, is actually administering something lethal (such as a drug) to end someone's life when otherwise it would have continued. Many people conflate these two different things. But legally and ethically, they are not the same.

Kor

True. All McCoy did was turn off his father's respirator.

 

[Nyotarules]

The idea of sending a science ship Voyager to go after a Maquis crew made as much sense as MI5 asking a group of NHS lab scientists to look for the Taliban, unless as I suspect, the UFP is a military dictatorship.

 

[Orphalesion]

Speaking of Voyager. I found it cliche that the first female captain had to be stated as having started out as a science officer (which in 90s Trek was often female coded, I guess because it's the least military and action-oriented of the three colours).
No she couldn't have possibly been in the command track all along, she had to start out as something softer and less military

 

[Tenacity]

The Federation doesn't "Want Section 31".

The Frderation governing organization might not want S31, but the people of the Federation probably would want a group that's going to protect they no matter what it taked.

Them, their children, their worlds

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Frderation governing organization might not want S31, but the people of the Federation probably would want a group that's going to protect they no matter what it taked.

Them, their children, their worlds

I agree, that's why the "Secret Organizational" nature of Section 31 made sense in it's original incarnation in DS9. It's a voluntary / chosen line of work. It's not mean to be "Overt" in any way / shape / form.

The idea of sending a science ship Voyager to go after a Maquis crew made as much sense as MI5 asking a group of NHS lab scientists to look for the Taliban unless as I suspect the UFP is a military dictatorship

The Combat / Exploration capabilities of a vessel are seperate ratings and have no bearing on either side. Voyager just happened to be a tough medium sized vessel with a brand new Captain aboard.

 

[Farscape One]

Voyager was a new ship that was a sleeker design that could navigate the Badlands, something even Tom Paris stated that no other Starfleet ship that he's seen could do.

 

[Vger23]

I just rewatched Generations and thought, Hmmm - Kirk has a LOT more personality than Picard in this. I have always liked Picard a lot, but here Kirk outshined him. I didn't notice the first time I saw this, but today, to me, Kirk was more watchable.

Perhaps controversial...especially to children of the 90’s.....but Kirk consistently has more personality than and outshines Picard.

 

[Vger23]

Speaking of Voyager. I found it cliche that the first female captain had to be stated as having started out as a science officer (which in 90s Trek was often female coded, I guess because it's the least military and action-oriented of the three colours).
No she couldn't have possibly been in the command track all along, she had to start out as something softer and less military

I don’t agree with this. STEM careers are stereotypically / heavily male dominated. And I think giving her a science background differentiated her from Kirk, Picard and Sisko.

 

[Paul755]

section 31 was a terrible idea, and it has only grown worse as they’ve used it in more and more onscreen Trek. It was silly from the beginning as a concept, since I don’t know why they needed a supersecret, hidden organization to do what certain personnel or divisions within Starfleet Intelligence or Security could do. It was a way of making aspects of the shows “darker” without having Section 31 operations being part of Starfleet. They seem to operate as an unaccountable, rogue organization, which makes it unclear why the Federation would want such an organization to operate that way.

it was fine as a small little plot point in DS9 and even Enterprise. But the way it’s been blown up during the Kurtzman era has ruined it.

Perhaps controversial...especially to children of the 90’s.....but Kirk consistently has more personality than and outshines Picard.

No argument here. Personality wise, Kirk over Picard easily.

 

[Farscape One]

I actually liked thst Janeway's background was science. Sisko's background was engineering. Both were very hands on in how they did things. That was something that differentiated Kirk and Picard, who were both command training from the start.

 

[cooleddie74]

Perhaps controversial...especially to children of the 90’s.....but Kirk consistently has more personality than and outshines Picard.

Kirk is arguably the best thing about GEN, which is a pretty good Star Trek movie.

 

[fireproof78]

Section 31 was inevitable.

 

[cooleddie74]

Especially with the xenophobia on Earth during the 22nd century and events like the Xindi probe attack exacerbating human fears and willingness to do whatever it takes to remain safe.

 

[Vger23]

Kirk is arguably the best thing about GEN, which is a pretty good Star Trek movie.

Also a “controversial opinion”...and one I somewhat agree with. GEN is a movie that, intellectually I know is really not very “good,” but I’ve never failed to enjoy it when I watch it.

And I agree that Shatner carries some of the best things about it.

 

[cooleddie74]

Had the TNG Movies stopped at FC then GEN would be the worst Trek film since TFF and easily the runt of all the '90s movies. But since we got INS and NEM later on the seventh film looked great at the time but comes off looking even bettter in comparison to most of the TNG Era film ouvre.