I wouldn't mind if we had 26 episode seasons and some filler episodes were needed, but we're nearly halfway through the season and all we've had are fluff storylines interspersed with predictable action scenes and some random bits of future tech.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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@FormerLurker, I just saw this as I haven't looked at this thread in a while, and all I can say is that you're perceiving a personal dislike where none exists. I recognize your name as a regular poster here, but I honestly can't say that I remember any specific comments you've made outside of the one I was responding to, or any previous interactions we've had on here. So I have no idea if the "never responding positively to anything you have to say " thing is true or not. I don't know. I don't know you. Except for the few members I've interacted with outside of the BBS, I don't know anyone here. All I can say is that since I haven't put you on my ignore list and don't recall ever even considering it, you haven't irritated me anywhere near as much as you seem to think you have. You honestly haven't made much of an impression on me one way or another.
But yeah, implying that everyone from Georgia or the south is automatically a racist is offensive, and if you post something like that, I'm going to call you out on it.
10 episodes I like that not too many other people seem to. Or they're hotly debated at best:
1. "The Omega Glory" (TOS)
2. "Spock's Brain" (TOS)
3. "The Way to Eden" (TOS)
4. "The Royale" (TNG)
5. "Aquiel" (TNG)
6. "The Muse" (DS9)
7. "Will You Take My Hand?" (DSC)
8. "Point of Light" (DSC)
9. "Perpetual Infinity" (DSC)
10. "Stardust City Rag" (PIC)
1. "The Omega Glory" (TOS)
2. "Spock's Brain" (TOS)
3. "The Way to Eden" (TOS)
4. "The Royale" (TNG)
5. "Aquiel" (TNG)
6. "The Muse" (DS9)
7. "Will You Take My Hand?" (DSC)
8. "Point of Light" (DSC)
9. "Perpetual Infinity" (DSC)
10. "Stardust City Rag" (PIC)
Except for "The Royale", "THE MUSE", and "Stardust City Rag", even I would have a hard time defending those episodes. (Not that I actually hate those episodes... just difficult to defend them as they are just 'meh' to me.)
I can't comment on the eps I'd not seen... 
"The Omega Glory" (TOS) - the "Earth parallel" shtick is too contrived (and too corny, on top of other things) to be believed. But, dayum, the sci-fi subplot with the disease thing that was killing the crew so viciously makes up for it. Getting Morgan Woodward to do another episode and with a very different character was inspired, since has a knack of stealing the show in both episodes he's in as well.
"Spock's Brain" (TOS) - due to a complaint that the people making the show were taking it "too seriously" (or "po-faced"), this episode was born. It would easily be worse if it had the season 2 comedy element added. "battle of the sexes" tropes rarely work, but there's still some great ideas and moments despite the episode going out of its way to tidy up loose ends way too quickly. It's a mess of a story with missed potential, but despite its issues I still find it more watchable than a few episodes from even season one.
"The Way to Eden" (TOS) - Another example of "missed potential" than being "irredeemingly bad", the episode is cramming in a lot and playing each item too superficially, which I think is why it's hated.
"The Royale" (TNG) - it's an oddball but it grew on me, and has something of a rather dark plot where the astronaut is saved by aliens and placed in a life support bubble of sorts, and to make him feel less lonely for the remaining decades of his life they recreate what's in his book as an interactive real life affair. Riker reading the diary sums up the background/origin exposition rather nicely. There's some sly wit involved as Picard has the computer load up the novel and he reads it aloud, revealing its cheesy start. It's a clever episode. It does misfire but it's more an underrated story than one to be actually reviled. Yes, it's possible the TOS episode "A Piece of the Action" was an influence, but a mild one at most. TOS has a race of people taking a book of fiction and turning their society into it. TNG has aliens feeling guilt over this human blop they rescued after accidentally contaminating their craft and killing everyone else in it so they set up the environment for the sole survivor to keep living as there was no other way...
"Stardust City Rag" (PIC) - reminds me of the Blake's 7 episode "Gambit" in a couple ways. It also gives Stewart something a bit different to do and I love it when the cast get to be other than their regular selves. I get the impression the cast love getting to do something different too.
And the title reminds me of "Nutbush City Limits" (Tina Turner, appx 1973)... 
"The Omega Glory" (TOS) - the "Earth parallel" shtick is too contrived (and too corny, on top of other things) to be believed. But, dayum, the sci-fi subplot with the disease thing that was killing the crew so viciously makes up for it. Getting Morgan Woodward to do another episode and with a very different character was inspired, since has a knack of stealing the show in both episodes he's in as well.
"Spock's Brain" (TOS) - due to a complaint that the people making the show were taking it "too seriously" (or "po-faced"), this episode was born. It would easily be worse if it had the season 2 comedy element added. "battle of the sexes" tropes rarely work, but there's still some great ideas and moments despite the episode going out of its way to tidy up loose ends way too quickly. It's a mess of a story with missed potential, but despite its issues I still find it more watchable than a few episodes from even season one.
"The Way to Eden" (TOS) - Another example of "missed potential" than being "irredeemingly bad", the episode is cramming in a lot and playing each item too superficially, which I think is why it's hated.
"The Royale" (TNG) - it's an oddball but it grew on me, and has something of a rather dark plot where the astronaut is saved by aliens and placed in a life support bubble of sorts, and to make him feel less lonely for the remaining decades of his life they recreate what's in his book as an interactive real life affair. Riker reading the diary sums up the background/origin exposition rather nicely. There's some sly wit involved as Picard has the computer load up the novel and he reads it aloud, revealing its cheesy start. It's a clever episode. It does misfire but it's more an underrated story than one to be actually reviled. Yes, it's possible the TOS episode "A Piece of the Action" was an influence, but a mild one at most. TOS has a race of people taking a book of fiction and turning their society into it. TNG has aliens feeling guilt over this human blop they rescued after accidentally contaminating their craft and killing everyone else in it so they set up the environment for the sole survivor to keep living as there was no other way...
"Stardust City Rag" (PIC) - reminds me of the Blake's 7 episode "Gambit" in a couple ways. It also gives Stewart something a bit different to do and I love it when the cast get to be other than their regular selves. I get the impression the cast love getting to do something different too.
And the title reminds me of "Nutbush City Limits" (Tina Turner, appx 1973)... 
"The Royale(TNG)" is fun and good Trek. It's an illusory world based on a centuries-old pulp novel, gives Data a chance to ham it up and gives us a peek into 21st century Earth space exploration preceding warp drive.
It's good. Period.
It's good. Period.
This is a bunch of malarkey. You're using "people" unqualified in a way that's non-sensical. In point of fact, it's only some people, and not even necessarily (and probably not) the same people.
I didn't mean all people, since it wasn't clear I'll try and clarify better next time.
Damn people.
Grudge deserves a promotion
Only the Royale do I find extremely rough. The rest are enjoyable especially Omega Glory.
The problem I always have with the Royale (aside from, again, I'm not a fan of the 20th century showing up in Star Trek) is that they complain about/make fun of bad, cliched writing....using bad, cliched writing.
Controversial Opinion: Delta Vega in 2009 is NOT in the Vulcan System, (which is stupid anyway, the Enterprise has been at warp for hours at the point that Kirk gets ejected off the ship, why would they still be anywhere near Vulcan?) but is in fact on the way to the Laurentian System, wherever that is. It also happens to be the SAME planet as in TOS "Where No Man Has Gone Before". Same planet, same outpost. The real reason Spock Prime saw Vulcan implode is easy: he didn't physically see it implode, he saw it in his mind. Same as when the USS Intrepid crew were killed in "The Immunity Syndrome". Both involved a massacre of Vulcans on a large scale, one was just so much bigger than the other.
Oh and while we are on the topic of the 2009 film, there is NO WAY the Enterprise is 700+ meters long. Personally, I like the concept of the ship having a saucer section that is the same size as the TMP ship (which would make the 2009 ship 302 meters long) or having the shuttle bay match the scale of the TMP ship (making the 2009 ship 366 meters long). Either way 700+ just doesn't make sense to me.
Oh and while we are on the topic of the 2009 film, there is NO WAY the Enterprise is 700+ meters long. Personally, I like the concept of the ship having a saucer section that is the same size as the TMP ship (which would make the 2009 ship 302 meters long) or having the shuttle bay match the scale of the TMP ship (making the 2009 ship 366 meters long). Either way 700+ just doesn't make sense to me.
Love these. I think it being what Spock "felt" is a good interpretation of that scene but my gut tells me that JJ intended it as shown because he used the same thing in The Force Awakens when everyone see Starkiller Base shoot at Fake Coruscant. I just started calling it Alpha Vega and thought it was just some ice planet in Vulcan space. I fucking hate that planet though, just it's dumb implied location, the dumb Cloverfield monster that chases Kirk, dumb Spock chilling out in a cave doing fuck all, I don't hate Scotty being there because sure why not but I hate his dumb transwarp beaming horseshit. Keenser was good though.
The ship was shown fairly consistently at the 700 metre size across the 3 movies. To believe otherwise you would have to disregard the shuttlebay, the bridge window, the engineering bays, the open multi decked corridors etc.
First Contact is the best Trek film IMHO
I certainly wouldn't raise an eyebrow to anyone rating it the best. It's a damn solid and entertaining film. Easily the best of TNG bunch. Christ, I wouldn't be a Trekkie if I hadn't gone and seen it with my younger brother as a teenager. It was only after seeing it on the big screen I did a deep dive into all things Trek.
If Insurrection had been my first big screen Trek outing, things may have turned out quite differently ...
Gene Roddenberry would not be for Canon Wars. Because canon is religion.
section 31 was a terrible idea, and it has only grown worse as they’ve used it in more and more onscreen Trek. It was silly from the beginning as a concept, since I don’t know why they needed a supersecret, hidden organization to do what certain personnel or divisions within Starfleet Intelligence or Security could do. It was a way of making aspects of the shows “darker” without having Section 31 operations being part of Starfleet. They seem to operate as an unaccountable, rogue organization, which makes it unclear why the Federation would want such an organization to operate that way.
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