Have John Ales show up playing a character originated by another actor? 
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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That too.Have John Ales show up playing a character originated by another actor?
They were belligerent sorts in "Journey To Babel," as well. "Tellarites do not argue for reasons; they simply argue."
That's just a political union, it doesn't make the Scotish people think of themselves as "British."
Okay, what about the Klingon ability to cloak in the 2250's?I treat it as a multiverse. That way Romulans can have cloaking tech in the 22nd century and it doesn't have to be explained.
Some do, some don't.
*hee hee* Like I said, controversial. It's not about voting. There's the tyranny of whoever is currently in a position to make official content, and all of the fans accept what works for them -- and don't what doesn't. What with all of the viewpoints, and given how the official stuff has been contradicting its own content since the '60s, I'd argue there's no "real" Star Trek anyway. I just like as consistent a framework as possible on which to hang said content. All of the nuts and bolts of starships and uniforms and transporters and all of that crap... Well, the more consistent you can keep the evolving look and "feel" of your fictional universe, the more real it's going to feel. Where the individual draws the line on how much deviation is allowable before it's "too much" is purely subjective. I just have different standards.
Which, speaking of...
It's not about voting. There's the tyranny of whoever is currently in a position to make official content, and all of the fans accept what works for them -- and don't what doesn't. What with all of the viewpoints, and given how the official stuff has been contradicting its own content since the '60s, I'd argue there's no "real" Star Trek anyway. I just like as consistent a framework as possible on which to hang said content. All of the nuts and bolts of starships and uniforms and transporters and all of that crap... Well, the more consistent you can keep the evolving look and "feel" of your fictional universe, the more real it's going to feel. Where the individual draws the line on how much deviation is allowable before it's "too much" is purely subjective. I just have different standards.Which, speaking of...
Continuity still isn't a dirty word. It's what would keep me from fully engaging in a period piece about, say, the American Revolution if George Washington was wearing Ray Bans and carrying an M16. I can accept conceits like in A Knight's Tale, which deliberately violated historical accuracy for contextual flavor. Ultimately, though, you're right -- quality of the work does take precedence. Sticking to this century, Enterprise had a lot of good moments, but enough felt off it ranks last on my series list to that point. JJ-Trek is just... *sigh* A lot of good acting, a lot of good dialogue, some pretty cool moments... But even leaving aside the swiss-cheesing of Trek lore and butchering of science, they were bad stories. Which, unfortunately, is what I've come to expect from JJ. Discovery is execrable. To bring back Mad Magazine's parody title, it really is Star Dreck. And Picard... I really want to like it. There are a lot of things they got very right. But the things they got wrong, they got so wrong... I'd slap that show if I could. I hate Discovery. I'm disappointed in Picard. Based solely on the characters and stories and writing.
Controversial opinion: So where the bulk of the old Star Trek movies. As I said before I wouldn't call any of them "great" when judged by the standard of movies/Sci Fi movies in general.
They all seem like long episodes to me. The only two plots I ever got invested in were Undiscovered Country and First Contact.
Bad analogy. George Washington is a real person, with a real life and a participant in real events. James Kirk, his life and the events he participated in are fiction and fiction is mutable. It's been mutable since we began telling stories around the fire.
Trek butchers science so often, they should open a shop. JJ has produced some prime cuts or maybe ground chuck, but at the end of the day it's about telling a story not writing a science thesis. Bad, is of course subjective. If your enjoyment hinges on past minutia you might be doing it wrong. But hey, you do you.
Wrong?? It's fiction. It's all made up. It's their story. How can they get it wrong?
Multiverse.
Multi-authors
Wasn't it just the Sarcophagus Ship that could cloak? The rest made hit and runs visible to their enemies?
I think House Kor took the tech and shared it.
Still, as with Romulan cloaking tech from the previous century it wasn't seen again for a while. It may have been shelved after the 2256-57 War and the Empire didn't resurrect it again until the brief alliance with the Romulans more than a decade later. It's a dodgy theory but if the Romulan explanation works after a few years of being quiet then...hey. 
If we really take the whole multiverse very seriously. Then how did the destruction of the Kelvin cause the date of people's birth to shift?
Like Checov is a lot closer to Kirk and the others in age in the Kelvin timeline...
Like Checov is a lot closer to Kirk and the others in age in the Kelvin timeline...
Chekov was born after the Kelvin incident. He's probably not the same person as Prime Chekov. The times Momma and Daddy Chekov had sex took a different path in the K-verse.
Uhura would have been born after the Narada's arrival as well. Sulu, too. We don't have canonical birthdates for either of them in the Kelvin Timeline but the Prime versions were born respectively in 2239 and 2237.
Were they? I can't find those dates on MA.
Okuda and Paramount-approved materials from the published reference books. Close enough for Paramount and CBS to go with them.
I know it's not gonna happen.
But honestly I'd like to see the Kelvin Version of the TNG crew, just to see what would be different about them. Like idk in a comic form?
But honestly I'd like to see the Kelvin Version of the TNG crew, just to see what would be different about them. Like idk in a comic form?
In my head canon it goes like this
Deep Space Voyager the Next Generation
An epic multi-POV, arc based series in the mode of Game of Thrones.
- Deep Space Nine- Formerly an orbital Cardassian ore processing station, the Bajoran Provisional Government has turned it over to Starfleet to serve as the base of operations for the defense and exploration of the Bajor Sector and beyond. In addition to Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia, there is a large civilian population on the station that includes Bajorans, Starfleet dependents and other foreign nationals.
- Commodore Benjamin Sisko- Starfleet Commander for the Bajoran Sector. Sisko is veteran of the Cardassian Wars. His wife, Jennifer and son, Jake live with him on DS9, but he has misgivings about them being so close to the Cardassian border.
- Lt. Commander Tuvok- Starfleet Intelligence. Tuvok oversees various on ongoing SI operations in the sector. Some of which might be above Sisko's "pay grade”.
- Commander Katherine Pulaski- Chief Medical Officer. A veteran officer with strong opinions, she's often a thorn in the side of Sisko and his unofficial conscience. She's also fond of needling Tuvok and has a low opinion of "spies”.
- Lt. Commander Data- Chief Operations Officer. An android. Data oversees keeping the station running. Given its blend of Federation, Cardassian and Bajoran technology it is a task that keeps Data busy around the clock. Not needing sleep, he is well suited for the task. As an android wishing to become more "human" Tuvok finds him fascinating.
- Colonel Kira Nerys- Bajoran Liaison Officer. Kira was a member of the Bajoran Resistance during the Cardassian Occupation. She is still wanted in the Cardassian Union for terrorism. She coordinates activities that involve Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia.
- Constable Odo- Chief of Law Enforcement for the station. A shapeshifter of unknown origin, Odo was raised on the station by Bajorans. He is strongly attached to the station and sees it as his only home. While nominally in charge of civilian law enforcement, Sisko likes to use Odo for Starfleet related operations as well.
- Quark- A Ferengi merchant who runs a casino on DS9's promenade. He is also heavily involved in various criminal activities in the sector. As such, he and Odo have an adversarial relationship.
- Garak- A Cardassian tailor who runs a shop on the promenade. He is the only Cardassian still on the station. His reasons for staying are currently a mystery. Though Tuvok certainly has a few ideas.
- Dukat - A Gul in the Cardassian military. Dukat is the former Prefect of Bajor and presided over the transition from the Cardassian Union to the Bajoran Provisional Government. Currently he is the military commander for the Cardassian territory adjacent to the Bajor Sector. He would very much like to be Prefect of Bajor again.
- The USS Enterprise- A Galaxy class vessel, the Enterprise is the newest and most advanced ship in Starfleet. Its primary mission is establishing diplomatic relations with the new worlds beyond Bajor. Its staff includes a large diplomatic team.
- Captain Jean-Luc Picard- The ship's Commanding Officer. Picard is a man weary of war. The prospect of commanding a mission of exploration and diplomacy has kept him Starfleet. He sees a new war on the horizon and is making every effort to change course.
- Lt. Commander Chakotay- The ship's Executive Officer. Chakotay's homeworld was on the frontlines of the Cardassian Wars and now lies in Cardassian territory. He's not happy being on a ship whose objective includes "making nice" with the Cardassians.
- Ambassador Deanna Troi- The sector's Chief Diplomatic Officer, she divides her time between DS9 and the Enterprise. As a civilian, she's not always greeted with open arms by Starfleet. Her goals are often at odds with Commodore Sisko's, the sector's military commander. Picard is more open minded and she prefers the Enterprise to DS9
- Lt. B'Elanna Torres- The ship's half Klingon Chief Engineering Officer. She served with Chakotay in the Cardassian Wars and shares his views on making peace with them.
- Lt. Commander Beverly Crusher - The ship's Chief Medical Officer. The widow of Jack Crusher, Picard's former XO and closest friend. Her son is in Starfleet and she worries about his future.
- Ensign Ro Laren- The ship's Flight Control Officer. Born in a Bajoran refugee camp she's never been to Bajor before this assignment. She's at odds with native born Bajorans, who see the refugees as cowards who chose to flee rather than fight
- The USS Defiant- A Defiant class light cruiser. Its primary mission is defense of the station and the Bajor system. It serves as the flagship for the commander of DS9. The Defiant is a warship, part of the legacy of the Cardassian Wars. Its crew is small and most are experienced combat officers.
- Commander William T. Riker- The Defiant's Commanding Officer. Riker comes across as a genial sort, quick with a joke and a twinkle in his eye. He's also known to have an eye for the ladies. In a combat situation, he's all business. A clever commander with a trick or two up his sleeve.
- Lt. Commander Elizabeth Shelby- The ship's Executive Officer. She's all business, all the time and isn't afraid to speak her mind if she thinks Riker (or anyone else) is wrong. She has high standards and if she had her way the crew would be drilling around the clock.
- Lt. Worf- The ship's Klingon tactical officer. On a ship the size of the Defiant, tactical includes flight control. He respects Riker and admires Shelby.
- EMH- Experimental Medical Hologram. A new technology currently being tested on the Defiant. It's inventor, Dr. Louis Zimmerman is on board overseeing the test. (or is he?)
- Lt. Ezri Tigan- Medical Officer. Tigan is Combat Field Medic and provides backup for the EMH. An unjoined Trill, who's not on the candidate list, she lives life to the fullest.
- Lt. Geordi La Forge- The ship's Chief Engineering Officer. Blinded in the Cardassian War, La Forge can interface with the ship's systems through his VISOR, a device that enables him to see. As such he feels and senses what the ship does. At times this seems to cut him off from his crewmates and he wonders if he is losing his humanity.
- Ensign Harry Kim- Operations Officer. A rookie right out of the academy he's in awe of these "heroes”.
- The USS Voyager- An Intrepid class scout ship. Its primary mission is science and exploration. Most of its crew are in the Science division and the rest is comprised of young officers, some just out of the Academy. Because of this, the ship has been nicknamed "The School Bus". Voyager spends most of its time away from the Bajor Sector in unexplored territory.
- Commander Kathryn Janeway- The ship's Commanding Officer. Formerly in the Science Division, this is Janeway's first command. For her the thrill of the "hunt" is what drives her. She needs to know what's behind the next nebula and beyond the farthest star.
- Lt. Commander Jadzia Dax- The ship's Executive Officer and Chief Science Officer. A joined Trill, Dax can call upon decades of experience from her previous hosts. Which is at odds with her youthful appearance. A close friend of Sisko in her previous host, he still calls her "The Old Man". A name that followed her to Voyager.
- Chief Petty Officer Miles O'Brien- The ship's Chief Engineer. The real old man aboard the ship, he has a decade on most of the crew. A veteran of the Cardassian Wars, He's one of Janeway's trusted advisors and a father figure to the younger crewmen. (Just don't tell him that). His wife, Keiko, lives on DS9.
- Lt. Julian Bashir- The ship's Chief Medical Officer. Young, inexperienced and on his first deep space mission, Bashir is out of his element and tries to cover it up with bravado. O'Brien has taken him under his wing.
- Ensign Wesley Crusher- Operations Officer. A gifted young man, Crusher completed Starfleet Academy in record time. He's the youngest member of the crew and very aware of this,as such he is over eager to prove himself. His mother is the CMO on the Enterprise.
- Lt. Tasha Yar- The Ship's Chief Security Officer. Growing up as an orphan on failed colony where every day was a fight for survival, Yar feels out of place on a ship full of scientists and overachievers.
- Lt. Tom Paris- Flight Control Officer. Paris is onboard the Voyager as a favor to Admiral Owen Paris, Janeway's former CO. Paris has been a disciplinary problem (and embarrassment to his father) in the past. Voyager is his "last chance”.
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