As a non-native speaker I get sometimes annoyed by neo-pronouns, because they're hella' confusing (plural singular? What?).
And then there's this shit.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Ok to get back on track, controversial Trek opinion...Archer was the best Trek captain
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Damn. No need to drop this nuke right away.
How about "Archer was the best Federation President" then?
I mean, Ra-Ghoratreii and Jaresh-Inyo got nearly assassinated and nearly deposed, respectively. Hiram Roth might be the next most strong rival for pardoning Admiral Kirk and crew.
And two of them don't even have canon names.
I mean, Ra-Ghoratreii and Jaresh-Inyo got nearly assassinated and nearly deposed, respectively. Hiram Roth might be the next most strong rival for pardoning Admiral Kirk and crew.
And two of them don't even have canon names.
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How does getting nearly assassinated make you a poor president? Theodore Roosevelt got shot and he's consistently ranked as one of the greatest US presidents.
How about "Archer was the best Federation President" then?
I mean, Ra-Ghoratreii and Jaresh-Inyo got nearly assassinated and nearly deposed, respectively. Hiram Roth might be the next most strong rival for pardoning Admiral Kirk and crew.
And two of them don't even have canon names.
Going off of what we know in canon...
Archer
- the start of Starfleet keeping the peace for a century
Hiram Roth
- whale probe crisis; maybe the Genesis crisis as well; pardons Kirk and crew
Ra-Ghoratreii
- Khitomer Conspiracy, peace with the Klingons achieved after 70 years of conflict, El Aurian refugees, "death" of Kirk
Jaresh-Inyo
- Changeling infiltration of Earth, Klingons dissolve peace treaty with the Federation, and stars a war with the Cardassians, and Dominion war starts; Battle of Sector 001. Maquis attacks a Cardassian colony with biogenic weapons, and Sisko gasses a planet in return. I suppose you could add losing Voyager and the Ba’ku resettlement conspiracy as well.
Anton Chekov
- 2401 Frontier Day takeover
Liara Rillak
- Federation rebuilt after the Burn, Species Ten-C crisis
Idk, who's the best. But Jaresh-Inyo is definitely the worst of the ones listed.
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We now have Anton Chekov in 2401 but hear only his voice as the Borg plot is unfolding and assimilating young cadets and officers. So that makes six Federation Presidents we know the names of.
Best Federation president is Nan Bacco, hands down. And no, she's not canon. 
And sticking with non-canon, the worst president was Min Zife. Would have been "Ishan Anjar", but he was technically only president pro tempore.
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And sticking with non-canon, the worst president was Min Zife. Would have been "Ishan Anjar", but he was technically only president pro tempore.
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Yeah, seriously. We've only had 955 pages to build up to that. You've got to ease us into it more.
My wife thinks he best after Sisko. I am also a big Archer fan, too. He doesn't get enough love, really. (Nor does ENT, actually.)
If you're objectively looking at importance within the overall narrative of the entire franchise, Archer is a linchpin for the entire Trek universe.
- Pulls together all of the races who are the founders of the Federation, and implied to be an important figure in the Earth-Romulan War
- Responsible for reforming Vulcan society
- Saves Earth from the Xindi weapon
- Saves the Prime Timeline and ends the Temporal Cold War
But from season 3 on I thought Bakula and the writers found a groove where I bought Archer as someone who could be the captain of people out in deep space encountering weirdness, who understood the weight of it, but also as someone that aliens like Shran would honestly be like "hey, these humans aren't so bad" if you were dealing with him.
Umm, no. Just...no.Archer was pretty good.
Janeway is best.
Janeway is the best Captain with the name Kathryn. There's that.
I like Janeway, but she was written too inconsistently. Mulgrew's performance made her character a good one, honestly. Archer was written more consistently than Janeway.
Archer was the worst captain we've ever seen. (Yes, even worse than Shaw and Lorca).
The writers contriving reasons to make him a lynchpin of the lore as first federation president and responsible for bringing aliens together has nothing whatsoever to do with whether he was a good *captain* or not. And I would never in my life want to serve a single day under the command of a 'leader' like Archer.
The writers contriving reasons to make him a lynchpin of the lore as first federation president and responsible for bringing aliens together has nothing whatsoever to do with whether he was a good *captain* or not. And I would never in my life want to serve a single day under the command of a 'leader' like Archer.
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