What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Elder Knight]

I do prefer the alternate Star Trek IV theme to the alternate TNG one.

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I like this version.

Although, as my son (who was quite young when we saw the film) pointed out: they had no business using the familiar fanfare, as at this point in Trek history, the Enterprise didn't exist. (He had noted that Voyager and Deep Space Nine did not begin with the familiar eight notes.)

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

More of a controversial question, rather than an opinion...

I'm not sure if the J'naii from "The Outcast" are the ultiimate rejection of identity politics, or the ultimate result of it.

 

[Commander Troi]

More of a controversial question, rather than an opinion...

I'm not sure if the J'naii from "The Outcast" are the ultiimate rejection of identity politics, or the ultimate result of it.

The J'naii were an example of the bigotry of believing there's One Right True and Only Way to be, identify, and love, so I'd say neither. They're the same as those yutzes who objected to showing a loving relationship between 2 men in The Last of Us.

 

[Macintosh]

Was "Yesterday's Enterprise" the first appearance?

No, but it's the first time I noticed it. The 4-foot model was commissioned between the second and third seasons and, after filming of "The Best of Both Worlds", it took over for all new shots of the Enterprise-D until Generations.

 

[Vger23]

Controversial Opinion:

The child actors in “When the Bough Breaks” are actually pretty good.

 

[Tallguy]

No, but it's the first time I noticed it. The 4-foot model was commissioned between the second and third seasons and, after filming of "The Best of Both Worlds", it took over for all new shots of the Enterprise-D until Generations.

The Defector is apparently its first appearance.

Also the (IMHO) preposterous level of detail on the 4 was added because the effects team felt the 6 was "unrealistic" in it's smoothness. The ship is 2100 feet long! How big are those panel lines on the four footer supposed to be in real world scale? I know that all of those bumps and nurnies and greeblies make things a LOT easier for visual interest, especially (I would imagine) on television. Lighting and shooting the Millennium Falcon is a hundred times easier than the Motion Picture Enterprise, let alone Datin's TOS Enterprise. But detail at that scale is not "realistic". Heck, the Death Star looks pretty smooth. Because it's BIG.

OTOH, tuning in to Star Trek these days I can see that the greeblies have won the war.

I'm not sure which side of the idea is controversial. But I know which one should be!

 

[Macintosh]

Also the (IMHO) preposterous level of detail on the 4 was added because the effects team felt the 6 was "unrealistic" in it's smoothness. The ship is 2100 feet long! How big are those panel lines on the four footer supposed to be in real world scale?

Oh god, I know right!? Just how bad was fit-and-finish at the Utopia Planitia shipyards in the early 2360s!? Some of those plates must be inches out of alignment! It's absolutely nuts.

 

[Oddish]

Controversial Opinion:

The child actors in “When the Bough Breaks” are actually pretty good.

Yeah, they did all right. The problems with that episode were not from any of the kiddos. Wesley included: normally, I don't like it when "Wes saves the day", but what he did in that show actually sort of makes sense.

Some parts of the episode could have used fixing, though. Rather than a wall of text, I'll give you a link that you can ignore at will: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/when-the-bough-breaks-a-story-in-one-better-ending.311302/

 

[publiusr]

They aren't that similar though.

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Excellent render

 

[johnnybear]

Controversial opinions:I quite like And The Children Shall Lead. It was an episode that always scared me at the end when Gorgon started to disintegrate on the bridge after Kirk miraculously found out his name and threat!
I've always liked Spock's Brain. It was always a good one for me and always held my interest with Spock having that Omicron labourer outfit and two Klingon nacelles around his head and the idea of a female/male schism was always interesting as a youngster as I never got on with the girls at school! Not that much now these days either!
JB

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Spock’s Brain is fine. At least it’s not boring. It has this wild reputation as being the worst of TOS, but it’s not even the worst from its season, never mind the job lot of it. There are at least 15 episodes of TOS that I think are worse.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Spock’s Brain is fine. At least it’s not boring. It has this wild reputation as being the worst of TOS, but it’s not even the worst from its season, never mind the job lot of it. There are at least 15 episodes of TOS that I think are worse.

I think Spock's Brain may or may not get a worse rap than it deserves due to the fact that it was the third season premiere. After all of the effort put in by the fan base to get the show renewed, and THIS is what they came back with? And, of course, as you say the rest of the season wasn't all that much better.

 

[tomalak301]

It's been a while since I've seen Spock's Brain, but the thing that I remember about that episode (And I can say the same about Threshold from Voyager) is that there was an interesting story in the first half. I especially liked the Meeting on the Bridge, and if it didn't turn to camp in the second half of the episode, it would have been fine.

 

[Farscape One]

While I don't think there are 15 episodes worse than it, I do agree that "SPOCK'S BRAIN" is not the worst episode of TOS. Not even in the same season... that 'honor' goes to "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD". (And I feel it's the worst of the series by a country mile.)

 

[cooleddie74]

^
This.

Even Lazarus in Season 1 has more dramatic weight and better content. "Children" is an abysmal story with creepy opticals and a memorable chant. And that's it.

And that's not enough.

 

[Farscape One]

Agreed.

The script of "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" was just a mess, but at least Robert Brown was selling it as both versions of Lazarus. (Lazaruses? Lazarii?)

"AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" had a terrible guest star... Melvin Belli may actually be the worst guest star in the franchise. (Definitely would give Padma Lakshmi from ENT's "PRECIOUS CARGO" a run for her money.)

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Melvin Belli may actually be the worst guest star in the franchise.

What's controversial about that?

 

[Tallguy]

What's controversial about that?

I can't even manage a witty retort.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I can't even manage a witty retort.

 

[drt]

The script of "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" was just a mess, but at least Robert Brown was selling it as both versions of Lazarus. (Lazaruses? Lazarii?)

The concept of "The Alternative Factor" is pretty cool, just lose the scientifically unsound antimatter/destroy both universes aspect (maybe have crazy Lazarus in possession of some form of WMD that can damage nearby inhabited systems) and you'd have an interesting story about madness and parallel universes.

"Children" is just a rehash of "Charlie X" with a malevolent entity.