What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    "TATV..." is definitely amongst my Worst Episodes of Trek Ever. And ranks up there in the numbers.
     
  2. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    "Sub Rosa" is objective hot garbage whose only redeeming quality is the jokes and memes that came from it. It's not my worst Trek episode ever but if there's a Thunderdome throwdown for the Bottom 10 Episodes of Anything Star Trek "Sub Rosa" would suplex several of the others.

     
  3. oberth

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    there's also the small point about killing off trip - i have no problem with killing off regulars but you don't do that in a series finale unless there's a white whale involved
     
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  4. cooleddie74

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    Trip died for no good reason. I know what defenders of the script will say. "He saved his friend the Captain so he could go on to make the Federation Charter Speech." He still died for no good reason. Anyone else on Enterprise could have sacrificed themselves to stop the alien intruders looking for Shran and his daughter and even with a crew this small compared to future starships it carried security officers. Trip was sacrificed because Berman and Braga couldn't think of anything better and felt it would grab the viewers' attention.

    It did alright, just not in a good way.
     
  5. 1001001

    1001001 Do You Really Wanna Taste It? Moderator

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    It's kind of amazing how badly TPTB misread their own fandom on this one.

    I mean, they truly believed this was a "Valentine to the fans". They did not set out to make the worst finale in Star Trek history.
     
  6. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yep. No malice. They just had a terrible idea and doubled down on it.
     
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  7. Ray Hardgrit

    Ray Hardgrit Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'm genuinely surprised anyone can look at Precious Cargo and think "This is signficantly worse than the six episodes that came before it". It's not my favourite story, but it's not what I'd pick as the nadir of season 2.
     
  8. YetAnotherSubspaceAnomaly

    YetAnotherSubspaceAnomaly Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Certainly this stands as a strong data point (among many) that B&B were past the point of severe creative burnout by the end of ENT.
     
  9. Grendelsbayne

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    Two counterpoints:

    1 Using the term humans have always used to describe just themselves and nothing else as a catch-all for all intelligent life would be just as racist and kind of non-sensical since Humans are far younger/newer to the interstellar scene than most other major species.

    2 Using the term Terran to refer specifically to homo sapiens and no other species is racist towards Dolphins and Humpback Whales. Humans (in Star Trek) aren't intended to be the only intelligent lifeform to have evolved on Terra.
     
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  10. FormerLurker

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    That bow was made of stale linguine covered in mold.
     
  11. Lord Garth

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    A better way to have Trip die would be if he'd been saving the ship from a Romulan Attack during a decisive battle that ended The Romulan War. "These Are the Voyages" could have shown what led to the founding of the Federation. Riker and Troi could've been looking at highlights, basically showing us what Seasons 5-7 would've looked like.

    If you need a story reason: Riker's a History Buff, he has a particular interest in the 22nd Century, and so one of the teachers aboard the Enterprise has Riker and Troi speak to their class, but the kids don't care, they're bored, they're a stand-in for the fans who didn't want a prequel, so Riker decides to take them to the Holodeck to see and then that makes the kids interested. By the time Riker and Troi finish showing all these kids the highlights, they want to know more.
     
  12. Sci

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    I still maintain that "Code of Honor" is the worst Star Trek episode ever made because it's the only one that could have been written by the P.R. department of the Ku Klux Klan. "Planet of the scary black men who want to take our white women from us!"
     
  13. oberth

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    1. i didn't say use it, i said enlarge the term, which means set everybody nominally on an equal footing - insisting on humans for us while seeing terrans as derogatory and calling anybody else after the place they come from is racist by analogy
    2. i didn't say that either - obviously my definition of human encloses the humbacks 'talking' to spock and the hadrosauri talking to chakotay and whatever sentient species evolves anywhere (that includes terra/earth) - most likely what we call scientific names would be a little different but that's it
    ... btw calling those hadrosauri saureans is more than a bit blunt - why would they call themselves that? it's a name we gave them after they had packed up and went out there.
     
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  14. Grendelsbayne

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    Then I just don't really know what you're proposing exactly. What does 'enlarge the term' mean in practical terms? Are you calling Klingons Klingon or Human or both?

    As for the second part, I was referring to your claim that we should use 'Terran' as the alternative for 'Human' since you want to use the word 'Human' to mean something else. So, if I understand you correctly, then 'Terran' would be the standard word to refer to the species Homo Sapiens. Which is fine for Homo Sapiens, but kind of insulting for the other intelligent species of Terran that aren't in any way Homo Sapiens.
     
  15. oberth

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    they are humans but not of any of the terran sentient species they are klingon humans as ambassador soval is a vulcan human and, believe it or not, quark is a ferengi human (i refrain from making fun of ferengi pronounciation as that could be deemed a tad racist)

    those humpbacks are a terran sentient species and as such humans but not homo as they are not bipedal and upright (humanoid - maybe we need a new word for that), they are megaptera* novaeangliae* terrae sapiens. the * mark their actual scientific name and it obviously needs to be changed if they demand it (they probably wood)

    my idea is to use human instead of any sentient species from anywhere in the universe - even it it needs a bricklayer for a doctor*. as that i use the term inclusivly which is quite the opposit of racist (right now it's used exclusively: us and them)

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    * no offense intented here
     
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  16. Tim Thomason

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    Person might work better then, for those purposes.
     
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  17. oberth

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    no way, a humpback is certainly a person - my whole idea is getting rid of the exclusive use of human and i don't think you can just forbid it you need to enlarge that 'us'. i don't want a new word i want an inclusive human.
     
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  18. KamenRiderBlade

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    I use the term BiPaBs {Bi-(Pedal & Brachial)oids} to describe generic Sentient & Sapient Organic beings that generally have 2x Legs, 2x Arms, 1x Torso, 1x Neck w/ Head, & Optional Tail(s).

    For me, Terrans are Humans who come from Terra (Earth).
     
  19. 1001001

    1001001 Do You Really Wanna Taste It? Moderator

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    I’ve always liked the term Terrans.

    I wish that was how we referred to ourselves.

    :techman:
     
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  20. KamenRiderBlade

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    We're all Terrans living on Earth, orbiting Sol.
     
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