It makes for a good story, but the nature of the coincidence was just too extreme. Terry just "happens" to meet Bruce Wayne, "happens" to discover the batcave, and "happens" to lose a parent to crime... all within an hour.
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It makes for a good story, but the nature of the coincidence was just too extreme. Terry just "happens" to meet Bruce Wayne, "happens" to discover the batcave, and "happens" to lose a parent to crime... all within an hour.
I find it makes a trite, cliched story that wallows in Timms Batman worship.
I think TMP onwards was very keen to distance itself from the TOS aesthetic and pretty much from the start, TNG sort of backwards integrated the TMP aesthetic. If they'd used a movie-era bridge then TOS could have eventually been slipped canonically into a TOS -Verse or something. Along with TAS and the wacky comics for more fun.
I sort of got the impression that the way TOS looks is considered to be impressionistic. Zapping the TOS aesthetic into Relics canonically destroyed that notion, TOS era ships really did look like that. DS9 compounded it, then Enterprise followed on. Now fans opine that SNW should be filmed on 1960s set-replicas when the truth is SNW looks like a 'real' version of those early shows.
I don't know fella. Just musing. Don't even know if that makes much sense.
I point out that all of Star Trek happens centuries in the future. Furthermore, Star Trek happens in an alternat euniverse which branched off from our timeline before the first TOS episodes were made, due to the inability of Star Trek writers to always use accurate historical references.
Star Trek happens in an alternate universe, and in the future.
To suspend disbelief in the Star Trek universe while remembering that our universe exists, it is necessary to imagine a frame story for Star Trek in which information about the future traveled back in time and across usniverses to our alternate universe.
Nobody has every created an official frame story for Star Trek, and maybe nobody ever will. Until a hypothetical official frame story is created, fans can only wonder about various hypothetical frame stories for Star Trek.
In some possible frame stories for Star Trek, every movie and episode is edited from record tapes sent back in time, so basically everything will "actually" look exactly the way it does in the movies and episodes - even the things, objects, persons vehicles, planets, etc which have different looks in different productions.
In other possible frame stories for Star Trek, only information about th e future events was sent back in time, possibly official records and logs and personal logs, etc. Thus the creators of Star Trek had to write sripts based on those records and have actors in costumes using props act out the stories in sets, which were filmed.. In that basically everying can "actually" look much different from how it is depicted in Star Trek productions.
And present day fans don't know which is the case. Thus we don't know how accurate the look of Star Trek productions is compared to the "real" Star Trek.
Remember that you don't know how much Star Trek actually looks like Star Trek.
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Both absolutely fair.
As I said, I was just musing. I love TOS and I'm fine with things the way they are. I think at core I was just thinking how Relics destroyed any notion that TOS/TAS might be some form of impressionism.
I am not certain that "Relics" disproved that TOS/TAS and TNG are all forms of impessionism. Who can know?
Yeah, I feel like you always have to suspend your disbelief a bit, with any of the bridges. You have to pretend the Motion Picture bridge doesn't have CRT monitors, ignore the obviously backlit fake screens of the TNG bridge, forget how hard it'd be to see anything on La Sirena's floating holographic display without a plain background, accept that having lights shining into people's eyes on the Kelvin timeline Enterprise bridge is fine, and try not to think about what all those blinky colour boxes are around the top of the Strange New Worlds bridge. I mean there's no way anyone can see what's written on those things, they're too high up!
Sure the Original Series bridge isn't an entirely realistic vision of the future, but none of them are.
We all know that if you're going to have floating holographic UI, you need "SOLID" backgrounds, not transparent ones.
Otherwise readibility is crap. Gundam 00 got that concept right when they used holographic UI.
got a most likely very controversial opinion myself
using the word human instead of terran is kinda racist
reason: each and every species is named after their planet. only terrans are called humans and consider the term terran as derogatory. so what makes us 'deserve' a special name while we call everybody else by the place where they come from / evolved?
as i see it would make a lot more sense to enlarge the term human to include all sentient species (even the bad guys of the week) thusly using the scientific name of homo vulcani sapiens sapiens for vulcans and homo terrae sapiens sapiens for terrans (i'm not sure whether this would be supossed to be a genitivus or another adjective but you get my point)
using the word human instead of terran is kinda racist
reason: each and every species is named after their planet. only terrans are called humans and consider the term terran as derogatory. so what makes us 'deserve' a special name while we call everybody else by the place where they come from / evolved?
as i see it would make a lot more sense to enlarge the term human to include all sentient species (even the bad guys of the week) thusly using the scientific name of homo vulcani sapiens sapiens for vulcans and homo terrae sapiens sapiens for terrans (i'm not sure whether this would be supossed to be a genitivus or another adjective but you get my point)
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I think the Klingons might take offense to being called Kronosians.
just saying - i'm not sure when the name Qo'noS was first used and i can't find it but i'm rather sure that was at least not early in tosmemory alpha said:
they also didn't kill anyone for having their language called klingonese
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I'm going to guess it was Star Trek VI and wait for someone with more Trek knowledge to tell me if I got it right or not.
I was actually going to list a whole bunch of different alien races which aren't named after their homeworlds, but in the end I could only think of that one. It's probably a special case because of the unusually long gap between their introduction and the first mention of their planet.
I was actually going to list a whole bunch of different alien races which aren't named after their homeworlds, but in the end I could only think of that one. It's probably a special case because of the unusually long gap between their introduction and the first mention of their planet.
The problem is, in my opinion, more that Star Trek doesn't really have a word that can be used to encompass all sapient lifeforms. Even calling humanoids "humanoids" is problematic in this context, since it assumes human as the basis/standard.
Marvel comics occasionally uses "Sapient/Sapients" as a noun to encompass all sapient life. I think that's a much better terminology.
Marvel comics occasionally uses "Sapient/Sapients" as a noun to encompass all sapient life. I think that's a much better terminology.
honestly i don't know but i thought of it (and tried to check) before i posted that but one of the movies sounds about right to me - i'd like to know whether anybody called it kling / klingon homeworld in tos, though (and i'm not going to binge tos for that right now)
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humanoid clearly means bi-pedal and upright so two of the xindi-species are/were not humanoid but sentient
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Uncontroversial Opinion: Fans love to nit-pick, whine, complain, experience outrage, and be generally unpleasant about the franchise they love
True. And it can be really fun.
It's waaaaay too boring if everyone is in agreement on everything!
This. Starfleet just looked a certain way in the the 2260s. It looked like TOS and TAS.
Computers went through a phase where the control interfaces were glowing Jolly Rancher buttons. Even DSC and SNW have those aboard the Enterprise.
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