Those justifications sound pretty stupid too.
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Nevertheless, still Star Trek.
And I welcome the stupid, the absurd, as well as the good.
Ah, the old reductio ad absurdium!
I think this is a very clever post and funny too.
We saw him fall off a cliff but we didn't see a body, anything is possible. He fell into a space time continuum or some other Trek babble.
Ok, this will put the cat amongst the pigeons.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, so maybe my thoughts my change on a rewatch but…I genuinely think the material Pike and Spock got in season two of Discovery was more interesting and compelling than pretty much anything they’ve had in two seasons of SNW.
I dislike the way SNW has turned Spock into something of a joke character and the relationship with Chapel was the moment I think I checked out from the show. After loving Pike in Discovery, I find him almost a little smug and weak on SNW. I’m not sure what happened honestly. About the only character arc he’s had is with his boring girlfriend whose name I can’t even remember.
I said it! Let the stoning commence!
It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, so maybe my thoughts my change on a rewatch but…I genuinely think the material Pike and Spock got in season two of Discovery was more interesting and compelling than pretty much anything they’ve had in two seasons of SNW.
I dislike the way SNW has turned Spock into something of a joke character and the relationship with Chapel was the moment I think I checked out from the show. After loving Pike in Discovery, I find him almost a little smug and weak on SNW. I’m not sure what happened honestly. About the only character arc he’s had is with his boring girlfriend whose name I can’t even remember.
I said it! Let the stoning commence!
Ah, the old reductio ad absurdium!
There's a line someplace and really we're just haggling over price.
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I had to reply to this because I'm extremely proud of myself for eventually remembering that she's called Batel. At first I thought it was Patel and I was just about to look up if I was right, but then I corrected myself at the last moment.
Disagree. It bugs me that one of my least favorite SNW episodes (A Quality of Mercy) has my favorite Pike / Spock scene of all time. And there are more. (Sniffle. Seriously. I need a moment...)
A... bit. But everyone is played a little lighter. For good or ill. If you think about it, the crew not holding Spock in the same lofty regard as in TOS (because he's not almost everyone's boss for one thing but also because he's not as intimidating) is one of the few things that SNW does really well in making him an Earlier Spock. While I might question that it seems that they're setting up Great Emotional Trauma In the Recent Past (SNW) to explain Why Spock is Spock in TOS it at least differentiates the character. (In TOS Spock had not been hunky dory until something recently happened to him. His emotional wounds went back ages.)
Spock on Disco: The one thing I adored about Spock was his relationship with Michael. He was a horrendously bratty little brother. It was a joy. (If you would like me to break out my song and dance about how the Sarek family on Disco does not contradict TOS in any way, I can.)
As much as I wish they had made Chapel somebody else I adore both actors' performance. Heck, I even enjoy the episodes with T'Pring even though they have almost nothing to do with Amok Time.
For what they wanted to do I think they actually set it up pretty well and then dropped the ball in season 2. (See "overstuffed".)
Smug AND weak? While I wish there had been more episodes in S2 where "Pike is the CAPTAIN" (word starts with a "o" and ends with "stuffed") I've found Pike to be tremendous throughout. (I need to re-watch, but I liked him a lot in Those Old Scientists where he managed to do "Same stuff, different day" combined with "I did NOT sign up for this nonsense.")
I think SNW Pike can be summed up in the moment from S1: "(whispers) I LOVE this job." And he's my second favorite captain. (Maybe tied with Ben Sisko.)
But no, I don't care about him and Batel. (Sings: "Would you like to buy an O?")
Oh. Sorry. My bad.
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I disagree on Pike. I think he's a man weighing the knowledge he has and struggles to feel how he can be true to himself.
Spock is a bit more fun I think. He's not the Spock of TOS. He's someone figuring himself out. As much as I don't care for Kirk the introduction scene of him and Spock is really good.
I do not care about Pike/Batel or Spock/Chapel.
I think the Spock/Chapel stuff is maybe the worst stuff in SNW. It feels shoehorned in just to justify Chapel pining for him in TOS and T’Pring being SO pissed at him in Amok Time. Plus the way Spock handles everything makes him (and really Chapel) look so much worse in hindsight.
I also share the increasingly non-controversial opinion that Spock/Chapel and Pike/Batel are among the weakest parts of SNW. Or at least they're the parts I really don't care about at all.
Fewer doomed relationships with legacy characters, more hopeful relationships with new characters plz.
Fewer doomed relationships with legacy characters, more hopeful relationships with new characters plz.
I don't think it makes Spock worse or Chapel either.
I think it makes sense to a degree but it just isn't that interesting. It's relationship stuff and Trek has a thin history of doing that well.
There is no such thing as a good musical episode (except for the Buffy the Vampire Slayer one). The moment any characters start singing and dancing I'm suddenly VERY aware that I'm not watching Starfleet officers on board a mighty starship exploring the unknown, I'm watching trained performers prancing about on a soundstage. My suspension of disbelief couldn't come crashing down quicker if the director wandered into camera and sent everyone for lunch.SNW’s musical episode was awesome.
What if they gave you an in-story reason?
For example that the essence of existence can be most closely approached by music for humans, and that by constantly training and appealing to that musical feeling you become more attuned to it, which can be advantageous when exploring the unknown.
I mean, that probably would even be less far-fetched than Discovery using a drive that employs mycelial DNA to navigate a galactic network for instant transportation
I've got a solution to the musical episode problem that's 100% scientifically realistic and will make absolutely everyone happy:
Riker and Troi use the holodeck to experience a holographic historical recreation of the Pike-era NCC-1701 Enterprise. And it's a musical.
Riker and Troi use the holodeck to experience a holographic historical recreation of the Pike-era NCC-1701 Enterprise. And it's a musical.
"Tiger tiger burning bright!"
I think that part of the draw for these things for the writers is "How do we come up with a 'believable' reason for people to break into song?". None of them just say "This week is a musical!"
Spoilers - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"
I also think that while this Christine Chapel is very different from TOS version, her best episode was "What are Little Girls Made Of" and the withering contempt Majel Barrett gives her at her assumption her fiance went off to live on a planet of sex bots.
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