Spoilers What are the odds of Cornwell making it to the end of the season?
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Well, at least I can safely say she made it to the mid-season finale.
Yeah, the odds are in her favor now that she's been rescued and is currently being sent for treatment in Federation space.
Will the crew ever find out about her fate though? Or will they spend the rest of the season reenacting Sliders?
Enterprise should have done a series where archer gets push from universe to universe, and then at the end there's a slate saying "Captiain Archer never found his way home"
I was thinking something similar
Killing off Cornwell is too easy. She knows Lorca set her up to die, even if she couldn't (or wouldn't) prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Having that leverage constantly there provides tension and adds conflict. So, I bet she'll stick around for a while.
I don't think so. Cornwell outranks Lorca, so if she didn't want to go on the mission, she didn't have to. And she is not the type who would be easily manipulated.
And neither Cornwell nor Lorca could have possibly known that the "peace talks" were faked.
^ I don't disagree with you but Lorca could've rescued her, "orders be damned". He didn't. He chose that moment not to. Technically, Lorca went by the book. Starfleet Command would see it that way.
But Cornwell knows better. And they're not that naive. They strike me as people who've been around the block. They'd be skeptical of any peaces talks whether they say so or not.
If Lorca tries anything from here on out, she'll nail him to the ground.
But Cornwell knows better. And they're not that naive. They strike me as people who've been around the block. They'd be skeptical of any peaces talks whether they say so or not.
If Lorca tries anything from here on out, she'll nail him to the ground.
Lorca couldn't take the chance that Discovery would be captured and thus the Klingons would gain access to all of its technology and intelligence. Including the spore drive.
He could afford to take that risk when rescuing Sarek in "Lethe" (because there was no chance of Klingon involvement), but not here.
I agree with this. Lorca had a "wake up moment" in that episode with Cornwell. If he had gone in guns and spores blazing to the rescue...he would have even further verified her opinions and shown that he can't contain himself.
I don't think he sent her to die (aside from the fact that it was HER decision). That just doesn't compute for me.
Cornwell went over to speak in Sarek's place. Before she left, she wanted to have Lorca relieved from his command because he's lost it. When Cornwell is captured by the Klingons, he should've rescued her. He's not one to care about rules and regulations and everyone expects this pattern of behavior from him anyway. So, then, at that time, he suddenly decides to play Mr. Squeaky Clean I Do It By The Book.
I'm personally calling Bullshit. If he doesn't rescue her, he gets to keep his command because Cornwell won't be around to take Discovery away from him afterwards. She was going to do that anyway, regardless of what happened, if she survived.
I think Lorca, no matter how much he has a thing for Cornwell, loves Discovery, loves being in command of it, loves that he has the Spore Drive, and loves that he's finally getting to kick all kinds of ass in this war. He's that type of guy. He loves this. That trophy room of his isn't just for show. Taking it all away from him would hurt him worse than anything else, so he's in Preservation Mode. By not rescuing Cornwell, he's letting her die.
Even Saru questions it and points out that normally Lorca would go in guns-a-blazin' charging to the rescue. Yeah, he might've had a "wake up moment", it's possible, but it probably comes down to you guys think he's a better person than I do. I don't necessarily think he's a villain but I also think he's more-than-a-little crooked and I think he's amoral.
Same with the "one more jump" in the mid-season finale with Stamets. This is a guy who saved his own skin in his previous command and no one else's while they went down with the ship. If you put Lorca in Sisko's place in "In the Pale Moonlight", I don't think he'd blink an eye. He wouldn't go through any of the anguish Sisko did, and that's what makes him so different.
So, that's where I'm coming from and why I think Lorca was willing to let Cornwell die by not rescuing her. He was looking out for Number One, and I don't mean Michael Burnham.
I'm personally calling Bullshit. If he doesn't rescue her, he gets to keep his command because Cornwell won't be around to take Discovery away from him afterwards. She was going to do that anyway, regardless of what happened, if she survived.
I think Lorca, no matter how much he has a thing for Cornwell, loves Discovery, loves being in command of it, loves that he has the Spore Drive, and loves that he's finally getting to kick all kinds of ass in this war. He's that type of guy. He loves this. That trophy room of his isn't just for show. Taking it all away from him would hurt him worse than anything else, so he's in Preservation Mode. By not rescuing Cornwell, he's letting her die.
Even Saru questions it and points out that normally Lorca would go in guns-a-blazin' charging to the rescue. Yeah, he might've had a "wake up moment", it's possible, but it probably comes down to you guys think he's a better person than I do. I don't necessarily think he's a villain but I also think he's more-than-a-little crooked and I think he's amoral.
Same with the "one more jump" in the mid-season finale with Stamets. This is a guy who saved his own skin in his previous command and no one else's while they went down with the ship. If you put Lorca in Sisko's place in "In the Pale Moonlight", I don't think he'd blink an eye. He wouldn't go through any of the anguish Sisko did, and that's what makes him so different.
So, that's where I'm coming from and why I think Lorca was willing to let Cornwell die by not rescuing her. He was looking out for Number One, and I don't mean Michael Burnham.
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Stepping back a bit, I think the fact that we're even having this type of back-and-forth at all speaks very highly about how interesting the characters in Discovery are, the dimension they already have even at this stage, and that there are enough facets to the characters that we can have such different interpretations of what they're thinking and what their motivations are.
I admit I was pleasantly surprised that she made it out of that shithole alive. And with the help of Lorca's crew. She still kept it together, too, helping Tyler be useful despite the trauma he was reliving.
I really want to see the character again, I love her moxy. Although currently it looks doubtful. I hope that if they are going into alt universe or mirror universe territory that we will still get to encounter some kickass Cornwells.
I really want to see the character again, I love her moxy. Although currently it looks doubtful. I hope that if they are going into alt universe or mirror universe territory that we will still get to encounter some kickass Cornwells.
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