What about a New Star Trek Series based on DS9?

[DevilEyes]

A Damar from alternate universe? Hmm, yeah why not, sounds good, as long as the personality is well rounded and fitting and interessting.
Thought still... Garak does not need a similar story arc, that Damar had... he walked the arc with Damar and therefore (and because he lived so long with humans and co) also had already some sort of awakening himself.

TerokNor

True enough, I'd just like to see Garak play a bigger role then he did on DS9..... I also had the idea that since I had the idea of Sisko returning, eventually so would Dukat.... how or in what form, I dunno yet.... but it'd be cool to see Dukat pop in from time to time.

Now that's something I'd like to see...

But not as a red-eyed one-dimensional cartoon villain. It would so great if someone could give his character arc a better closure and try to undo some of the mess they did in season 7. And since it's too late to remove the Pah-wraiths from the story, try to write them a bit better, too. I have had ideas how the Pah-wraiths could have worked with a better background and motivation and a more complex relationship with the Prophets. But that would require some change and retcon - i.e. somehow negate the nonsense about "ending all life in the galaxy"... (Why would anyone want that?)

 

[Praxius]

I can't say I found much I liked about your plot for the "new show". DS9 has had its run and I'm fine with that, it is time for others to lead Star Trek into the future and while I was less than thrilled by Star Trek 2009, it doesn't mean that a show based off that movie/timeline can't be done that could be as good, if not better than DS9.

Perhaps.... and while I liked the new movie, I don't like the idea of going back in time, in the future, to rehash what already occurred.

I think that's the other reason why I find it difficult to get into Enterprise.... for me, Star Trek is based on the future and should progress further into the future from where it started.... not be based in the future and then rewind to go back over that same time line of the future, but differently.

If they made a new series based on what occurred in the movie and is still of or around the Kirk era, I'd give it a chance, and perhaps they'd do a good job..... but I personally would like to have seen more of the TNG era and it's progression and evolution to exploring the entire galaxy/quadrants.... and perhaps beyond our galaxy.

 

[Praxius]

Now that's something I'd like to see...

But not as a red-eyed one-dimensional cartoon villain. It would so great if someone could give his character arc a better closure and try to undo some of the mess they did in season 7. And since it's too late to remove the Pah-wraiths from the story, try to write them a bit better, too. I have had ideas how the Pah-wraiths could have worked with a better background and motivation.

Yeah I wouldn't want to have Sisko or Dukat come back as total gods and devils.... maybe an arc that could work would be some Bajorans found some more old artifacts that some how activated and pulled both of them back from the grasp of the Prophets and Pah-Wraiths so that they're back in their humanoid forms with no powers, but they retained the knowledge and experience they had while with both entities.

Or that both experience memory loss because of this and over the series, they gain some of their memories of who they once were.... which could lead to Dukat being a generally nice guy at the start but gradually starts introducing some of his old attitudes as time goes on.... meanwhile Sisko has to struggle with Yates and their marriage which he doesn't remember, nor does he originally remembers Jake right off the bat.... in which Kira tries to help, while he tries to understand why so many Bajorans seem to worship him.

That would kind of take out the Prophets and Pah-Wraiths for a while until later in the series. (But you can't removed them completely from the story)

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For me, there's just so much one could work off of to make another DS9 series/continuation, which can branch into all sorts of different arcs..... and I've seen a number of good ideas others put out there.

 

[DevilEyes]

My idea about how the Pah-wraiths could have been written:

I'd make the Pah-wraiths and the Prophets the same species, who clashed over the issue of what kind of relation they should have to do world outside the Wormhole, and how much they should interfere with linear races like the Bajorans (and by 'interfering' I mean possessing the bodies of corporeal beings and getting directly involved in their affairs, instead of just sending them Orbs and - to some of them - visions and letting them work it out for themselves). You could draw parallels with the Prime Directive, or speculate whether the "Pah-wraiths" were only after power and control over the rest of the galaxy, or if their POV was worthwhile and legitimate. There was a civil war that ended with the losing faction - hitherto known as "Pah-wraiths" among the Bajorans - being exiled and confined to the place that, because of its peculiar electromagnetic properties, could support their life in their original form when outside the Wormhole, but had security measures installed to ensure that they cannot break free and try to possess a corporeal being, or return to the Wormhole; this place would become known among the Bajorans as "the Fire Caves".

Stories about the conflict have existed in ancient Bajoran manuscripts, but - in my version - there have always been underground minority Pah-wraiths worship groups and apocryphal texts that support the Pah-wraiths version of events. In my version, the Pah-wraith worshipping would become more popular not because the Wormhole was sealed in season 6 finale - it would gain popularity during and after the Occupation of Bajor. While most Bajorans would stick to their faith in Prophets and would argue that there is a grand scheme of things that makes present suffering necessary, that the Bajorans have to fight for themselves and that it would all turn out right in the end (and they would see the end of the Occupation as a proof of that), there would be those who would resent the Prophets for not doing more and not coming to their salvation, and would argue that the Prophets are those distant beings who do not really care for them. They would claim that the Pah-wraiths should be their true gods, since they would not hesitate to do a lot more and save the Bajorans from all the suffering and the millions of death during the Occupation. This could create a more believable religious schism, without making the Pah-wraiths worshippers look like idiots.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

I love DS9, but bringing it back seems like a very conservative move to me. I also wonder whether it would be possible to really recapture what made it a special show in the first place.
Better, perhaps, for a new Trek show to take some leaves out of DS9's book but in a different context.

 

[Jono]

... but I personally would like to have seen more of the TNG era and it's progression and evolution to exploring the entire galaxy/quadrants.... and perhaps beyond our galaxy.

If you want to push into the final frontier a ship based series would be a better idea than a more "static" DS9 based show.

 

[OldManDax]

DevilEyes, wow, your ideas in regards to the Prophets and PaghWraiths are very similar to ones that I had - since I didn't like the way the show handled them much either. In fact, I was just thinking about this in detail on yesterday - with the exception being that I thought their conflict would be solely in regards to Bajor. The Prophets, of course, had a pro-Bajor (if in somewhat of a detached form), while the PaghWraiths would not even consider the Bajorans fit to live, or be helped. Their perspective would be a little like Dukat's in "Waltz" and even back to "Explorers": the Bajorans are/were a weak, unintelligent people who deserve to be conquered, exploited and even, after a while, destroyed - a sort of cosmic version of "survival of the fittest". THEY'RE the ones who "reach out" to Dukat, seeing in him a similar worldview/perspective, and estimate that killing Sisko would be the perfect way to get back at the Prophets, and to eventually rule and/or destroy Bajor. A match made in, well, hell lol.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

People often suggest new series ideas but I've never run across the idea of Borg technology being deliberately used (in a controlled fashion) by an empire to enhance their military abilities - but that's a great idea! Love it!

Particularly when it's the Cardies who glom onto Borg tech. Ah the Cardies and their tendency towards arrogant overreach leading to catastrophe...

Oh and the leader of the Cardassians would of course be Garak, whom once he got back home after the ending of DS9, became immersed in his own culture once again and gradually lost his federation mentality, brought back the obsidian order and in a confused & twisted state, attempted to build a Cardassian empire his father would be proud of.

That's our Plain Simple!

But I bet it isn't Garak who gloms onto the Borg tech. Instead, he has a whole lot of minor-Dukat types to contend with, all preeningly ambitious and jockeying for power. One of them comes up with that brilliant plan and away we go...

Let's make a dramatic assumption for a moment here, that CBS would even be interested in another Trek series within the next ten years, let alone interested in following up on something that, while it has plenty of tough, unstoppable fans, isn't a familiar field with the mainstream audience it must cater to.

A post-DS9 story would be way way out there for CBS - but I could see it on Showtime. There would have to be a lot more violence and sex, of course, but I think we can handle that.

To think the Cardassians would simply drop their old ways at the snap of a finger after centuries of being the way they were without a few bumps in the road along the way, for me just wouldn't seem realistic, story-wise.... if that makes any sense.

I don't buy it either. Cardies are Cardies. They'll revert to their old ways.

Dukat and Damar should stay dead, though. Their deaths were dramatically "final" and to resurrect them would just come off as cheap and a little desperate, like the new writers can't come up with any good characters? Weyoun could be brought back because it's never been plausible that his template wouldn't be safe and sound in the GQ, along with all other Vortas. The Dominion must have some kind of software backup facility.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

A post-DS9 story would be way way out there for CBS - but I could see it on Showtime. There would have to be a lot more violence and sex, of course, but I think we can handle that.

Oh, certainly. Especially when compared to the CW alternative.

SISKO: "Jennifer, Jake! I'm back!"
JAKE: "Whatever, you're not my father anymore!"
JENNIFER: "Found me a new man, anyway!"
KIRA: "And what?"

 

[Cepstrum]

Yeah of course I'd be up for it. I'd love to see the old characters again, for a TV movie or something else.

But sadly if there is a new Star Trek series, i think they will try and make it some "hip, young" type of show, with all "cool" actors from CSI and Lost, and it will stink.

I just dont think there is room for a "traditional" Trek in 2010, the idea burned itself out imo.

I'd be afraid of that, too. But if they could somehow retain the same flavor, *I'd love it*!


Sadly, I think the chances of seeing more DS9 are about the same as Patrict Stewart or Alexander Siddig becoming President of the USA.


I wonder if they'll ever even make another Trek TV show at all.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

I think that is inevitable, Cepstrum, given how recycling old concepts is the way to go in the business. The real question is whether we'll see it in five years or thirty years.

 

[Cepstrum]

I think that is inevitable, Cepstrum, given how recycling old concepts is the way to go in the business. The real question is whether we'll see it in five years or thirty years.

Wow....I sure you're right (and it's sooner rather than later). I wonder if using a different medium than traditional TV would help, such as a web-based show. They could not only have ads but charge people to "subscribe" to help offset costs.